Gue Vs Tdi

[nova]

I think a vein in my head is about to bust. I'm going to have a drink. good luck to you all

 

[WarmWaterDiver]

It was a retorical question jonnythan, I didn't expect an answer. That's one of the nice things about knowing what I'm talking about, not everyone gets it, that's just the way life is

and Graham's law of effussion deals with gasses that are of the same PRESSURE, I'm sure your not going to tell me the PARTIAL PRESSURE of O2 and the PARTIAL PRESSURE of N2 are the same in the human body at depth?

Been busy at work, y'know, I have TONS of info there and at home. I have bills to pay like everyone else, so I have to devote some time to making use of my knowledge and experience in science & engineering, especially dealing with gas behaviors, for my paycheck.

Regarding the 'window', it's a simplification for humans attempting to model what cells, chemical compounds like hemoglobin, etc. all do whether we come up with equations or models to attempt to describe their behavior or not. You're a prime example - you're respiring, exchanging O2 for CO2, metabolizing the O2, etc. without really having a model or set of equations to describe it in your tons of info evidently.

I'm sure if you ask someone with medical credentials, they could describe in much more detail. But if you haven't 'got it' from the links posted, and didn't get it from your instructor, or your TONS of info, does that mean you really understand the science involved? If mankind TRULY UNDERSTOOD the science involved, no one would need to ever get bent, even 'undeserved hits' could be eliminated. So, no one can truly understand all the science involved at this date and time, but some can approach such understanding more closely / to a greater degree than others.

 

[nova]

Been busy at work, y'know, I have TONS of info there and at home. I have bills to pay like everyone else, so I have to devote some time to making use of my knowledge and experience in science & engineering, especially dealing with gas behaviors, for my paycheck.

Regarding the 'window', it's a simplification for humans attempting to model what cells, chemical compounds like hemoglobin, etc. all do whether we come up with equations or models to attempt to describe their behavior or not. You're a prime example - you're respiring, exchanging O2 for CO2, metabolizing the O2, etc. without really having a model or set of equations to describe it in your tons of info evidently.

I'm sure if you ask someone with medical credentials, they could describe in much more detail. But if you haven't 'got it' from the links posted, and didn't get it from your instructor, or your TONS of info, does that mean you really understand the science involved? If mankind TRULY UNDERSTOOD the science involved, no one would need to ever get bent, even 'undeserved hits' could be eliminated. So, no one can truly understand all the science involved at this date and time, but some can approach such understanding more closely / to a greater degree than others.

it's just not that hard to understand, maybe some people work hard to get through life, and some just understand things from the start.Just like some people refer to the hemoglobin as a chemical compound , others refer to the hemoglobin as two alfa chains and two beta chains. whatever you chose to refer the hemoglobin as the basics are still simple. The hemoglobin contributes to the regulation of the blood pressure.(there's that word again PRESSURE)

well how about that, maybe I do understand this stuff

 

[WarmWaterDiver]

it's just not that hard to understand, maybe some people work hard to get through life, and some just understand things from the start.Just like some people refer to the hemoglobin as a chemical compound , others refer to the hemoglobin as two alfa chains and two beta chains. whatever you chose to refer the hemoglobin as the basics are still simple. The hemoglobin contributes to the regulation of the blood pressure.(there's that word again PRESSURE)

well how about that, maybe I do understand this stuff

If you understand, why the questions and debate then? Doesn't add up . . .

Do you think Gases obeyed someone else' 'law' until Dalton etc. came along? And do you believe in some 'molecule police' who, if nature behaves in a way incosistent with a human model 'law', causes them to stop that behavior and conform to the 'law'/ Heck, there is no REAL 'ideal gas' for the ideal gas law - some approach ideal behavior more than others, and certain conditions facilitate some more closely approaching ideal behavior, but there is no real 'ideal gas' to manipulate in a lab for example.

Still thirsty, or was your drink enough? I'm having fun without drinking!

 

[nova]

If you understand, why the questions and debate then? Doesn't add up . . .

Do you think Gases obeyed someone else' 'law' until Dalton etc. came along? And do you believe in some 'molecule police' who, if nature behaves in a way incosistent with a human model 'law', causes them to stop that behavior and conform to the 'law'/ Heck, there is no REAL 'ideal gas' for the ideal gas law - some approach ideal behavior more than others, and certain conditions facilitate some more closely approaching ideal behavior, but there is no real 'ideal gas' to manipulate in a lab for example.

Still thirsty, or was your drink enough? I'm having fun without drinking!

I was trying to explain veinious gas tension to other board members and failing at it untill you came along and brought up my favorite protein "the hemoglobin" made up of heme=iron compound and globin =protein and is the iron containing respitory pigment in red blood cells.

and your right, there is no perfect science, but there is a differance between science theory and science laws. That was the point I was trying to make.

If I wasn't so frustated with others I was going to start in on how hydration plays a large part in the transfer of pressure, But I'll save all that for another time

 

[WarmWaterDiver]

I was trying to explain veinious gas tension to other board members and failing at it untill you came along and brought up my favorite protein "the hemoglobin" made up of heme=iron compound and globin =protein and is the iron containing respitory pigment in red blood cells.

and your right, there is no perfect science, but there is a differance between science theory and science laws. That was the point I was trying to make.

If I wasn't so frustated with others I was going to start in on how hydration plays a large part in the transfer of pressure, But I'll save all that for another time

Hmm - so we can have an Ideal gas Law, without a 'real' ideal gas, and say the ideal gas law isn't theory? How so- if we can't produce a TRUE 'ideal gas'?

Same for other human 'laws' - even the 'veinous gas tension' you speak of is another human abstraction attempting to describe some phenomenon in nature. The phenomenon doesn't give a whit what we call it, it just 'is' and 'does its thing' regardless.


Well, apparently you're still respiring whether thirsty or not - hey, if you're doing that without using diffusion, effusion, or some combination of the two to get oxygen from the ambient atmosphere in contact with the hemoglobin, and then transfer from the bloodstream to other tissues, I think you should call Fox Mulder, he'd be REALLY interested in studying you. Or maybe the Weekly World News.

Maybe you should have another drink - dehydration is reported to do sub-optimal things to thought processes - seeing mirages etc.

Stay healthy, no matter whose laws you choose. Thanks to science- otherwise we'd have molecular anarchy!!

But Heisenberg must have repealed all them 'laws' or at least given them a pretty big loophole - since his 'principle' (rather than law) is the entropy of the universe is always increasing (i.e. further deviating from organized or ideal). He could have really made it big if he'd benn a tax accountant I suppose - his is the 'King' of loopholes.

 

[nova]

Well, apparently you're still respiring whether thirsty or not - hey, if you're doing that without using diffusion, effusion, or some combination of the two to get oxygen from the ambient atmosphere in contact with the hemoglobin, and then transfer from the bloodstream to other tissues, I think you should call Fox Mulder, he'd be REALLY interested in studying you. Or maybe the Weekly World News.

Maybe you should have another drink - dehydration is reported to do sub-optimal things to thought processes - seeing mirages etc.

Stay healthy, no matter whose laws you choose. Thanks to science- otherwise we'd have molecular anarchy!!

But Heisenberg must have repealed all them 'laws' or at least given them a pretty big loophole - since his 'principle' (rather than law) is the entropy of the universe is always increasing (i.e. further deviating from organized or ideal).

well since this thread was about GUE vs. TDI , I should point out that this is what I learned in advanced nitrox deco threory from TDI. and since GUE doesn't go into detail about the molecular gas exchange process, then maybe more divers should look into TDI technical training.(at least for the science backround)


molecular anarchy!! well we can't have that , can we? everything should be put in a nice little box that's easy to understand


Oh forgot this little tidbit, How does Heisenburg know about the universe? has he been to all of it himself? Maybe it's just bigger than he can see and he really has no clue. remember, everyone thought the world was flat a few years ago. That's the differance between a theory and a law,

 

[WarmWaterDiver]

well since this thread was about GUE vs. TDI , I should point out that this is what I learned in advanced nitrox deco threory from TDI. and since GUE doesn't go into detail about the molecular gas exchange process, then maybe more divers should look into TDI technical training.(at least for the science backround)


molecular anarchy!! well we can't have that , can we? everything should be put in a nice little box that's easy to understand


Oh forgot this little tidbit, How does Heisenburg know about the universe? has he been to all of it himself? Maybe it's just bigger than he can see and he really has no clue. remember, everyone thought the world was flat a few years ago. That's the differance between a theory and a law,

Maybe he chatted with Schroedinger's cat to get such good knowlege - don't know personally, never met him, but I respect a great loophole-finder. Must have been a heck of a great guy to go out to the bars with I bet - I could have used a buddy like him back when I was single!

Send me a sample of that ideal gas once you find it - I'd be interested in testing it myself - y'know, Ideal Gas Law and all such . . .

 

[nova]

in my experiance, it's alway the really smart people who can't do the simple thing in life. Some people need an algarithem to brush their teeth, a manual to start the weed eater, they just don't get the simplicity of life. How about you warmwaterdiver? Do you make things hard just for fun?

 

[WarmWaterDiver]

I thought you in fact TOLD us all to have fun . . . and I'm not drinking still!!! Just popping on here off & on while fixing & eating supper. Just finished dessert - with neither blackboard nor spreadsheet required . . .

My hemoglobin 'does its thing' regardless of an algorithm, and I've never met someone before who needed one to brush their teeth -

So if you're one of these smart people, what do you find yourself that's really simple you're unable to do?? Share with the class from your experience now - you're the one who put it in writing (or at least electrons) . . .