GUE and Sidemount position ?

[Kevrumbo]

Dude I really doubt that GUE cares about UTD and their crazy mamifold for sidemount. Most people I know think that it is idiotic. I really doubt they would try to manifold sidemount tanks. I think you are just a UTD fanatic and really want to believe that you didn't get fed a line of crap and wasted your money. If you like it fine but putting a manifold on sidemount tanks is just crazy and I really doubt it is something GUE would do.

It something that GUE is trying to do, but just as with their JJ CCR development, they're a lot more discrete about initially promoting it.

Again, consider at the common manifold platforms with GUE utilizing LOLA valves: this interestingly is a high pressure solution to open circuit manifolding sidemount tanks, in which both cylinder valves can be normally turned on (i.e. no alternating turning on-off between left & right cylinder valves as in the UTD low pressure manifold solution), and the Diver through breathing his primary long hose draws equally from both source cylinders.

 

[Dave Bevan]

I don't think that gue are researching or testing this. Next I see one of the senior instructors Ill ask but I really dont think this is the case.

Dont get me wrong GUE divers and instructors are encouraged to test different equipment configs for viability. But i really don't think they see the need for sidemount. It doesnt fit with the team diving approach. Read the articles that are written in quest.

People believe that GUE are very strict in how they apply there diving. This actually isnt the case at all. Other recent articles in Quest talked about 'selecting a rebreather' not going just go buy a JJCCR they encourage divers to make informed decisions.

I don't think they are interested in copying UTDs manifold. They would have done that already. It looks from the article that they suggest sidemount as a solo diving application if used at all.

 

[rivers]

I know several GUE divers (instructors and non-instructors) who dive sidemount. None of them are using any sort of manifold.

 

[JohnnyC]

JJ's out here in Dubai. If I happen to run into him, I'll ask him. If anyone would know, it would be him.

 

[gobuyastick]

JJ's out here in Dubai. If I happen to run into him, I'll ask him. If anyone would know, it would be him.

tell JJ i say hi

 

[Kevrumbo]

I don't think that gue are researching or testing this. . .

I don't think they are interested in copying UTDs manifold. They would have done that already. It looks from the article that they suggest sidemount as a solo diving application if used at all.

It's not about GUE "copying" UTD's manifold. . .

Objectively again, the point is as a means to retain the DIR Long Hose Paradigm, there has to be a way of physically interconnecting the two tanks in double cylinder sidemount. Otherwise you just have double independent cylinders which not compatible with GUE's fundamental precepts and protocol in DIR team diving, and a technique which they will never officially endorse.

The fact that GUE uses LOLA valves on their JJ CCR configuration, and that one of their Instructor Evaluator's is working with these valves as a potential solution in doubles & stage sidemount diving is compelling and worthy of discussion (and to get this thread back on track).

 

[bamafan]

It's not about GUE "copying" UTD's manifold. . .

Objectively again, the point is as a means to retain the DIR Long Hose Paradigm, there has to be a way of physically interconnecting the two tanks in double cylinder sidemount. Otherwise you just have double independent cylinders which not compatible with GUE's fundamental precepts and protocol in DIR team diving, and a technique which they will never officially endorse.

The fact that GUE uses LOLA valves on their JJ CCR configuration, and that one of their Instructor Evaluator's is working with these valves as a potential solution in doubles & stage sidemount diving is compelling and worthy of discussion (and to get this thread back on track).

Who is this unknown GUE instructor evaluator doing this? I very seriously doubt that GUE thinks it is worth the trouble to try and manifold sidemount tanks. Until someone in authority with GUE says this is happening I think you are just a fanboy of the UTD system and are trying to rationalize your choice for whatever reason. I really don't think any sensible agency is going to follow UTD's sidemount model. Please let us know who is doing this with GUE as someone might know him and be able to ask him.

 

[Kevrumbo]

Who is this unknown GUE instructor evaluator doing this? I very seriously doubt that GUE thinks it is worth the trouble to try and manifold sidemount tanks. Until someone in authority with GUE says this is happening I think you are just a fanboy of the UTD system and are trying to rationalize your choice for whatever reason. I really don't think any sensible agency is going to follow UTD's sidemount model. Please let us know who is doing this with GUE as someone might know him and be able to ask him.

Same thing was essentially said about GUE years ago "finding it not worth the trouble" about manifolding diluent backmount double cylinders on a CCR, to be used as open circuit bailout via BOV, or as donatable gas via the long hose in a contingency. And now they have and officially teach the JJ CCR system.

They're confidentially working on it for sidemount as well -and I will respect that. . .(notwithstanding any irrelevant "fanboy" or gear choice trolls you ascribe to me @bamafan )

Go find your own GUE source who will comment on it "off the record".

 

[PfcAJ]

Same thing was essentially said about GUE years ago "finding it not worth the trouble" about manifolding diluent backmount double cylinders on a CCR, to be used as open circuit bailout via BOV in a contingency. And now they have and officially teach the JJ CCR system.

They're confidentially working on it for sidemount as well -and I will respect that. . .(notwithstanding any irrelevant "fanboy" or gear choice trolls you ascribe to me @bamafan )

We've been using backmounted bailout for decades with the rb80. Not a new development.

 

[Kevrumbo]

We've been using backmounted bailout for decades with the rb80. Not a new development.

Right. Same principle applied to CCR, but using at the time "untried, unconventional & novel" LOLA Valves in a DIR system.

My point is I'm contending that they're trying the similar cautious approach with doubles sidemount. . .