Gilboa Scuba Patrol??
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BAD IDEA!
REALLY BAD IDEA!!!
Your concern for your fellow man is acknowledged - and it isn't neccesarily a bad thing. When your interest crosses the line from concern for my welfare to intolerance of my foibles, you and I are going to have a very serious problem. All in all, I really don't want you or anyone else taking responsibility for me, thank you very much. Butt out and leave this to the quarry owners - they're the ones that have something at risk here.
It's hard for me to remain civil when the subject of the Safety Police comes up. This idea that we should be enlisting a power-drunk, know-it-all ego-tripping busy-body to act as prosecutor/judge/jury without an imperative public safety issue at stake makes me @#$%%*$).
I chust vant to be left alone.
Steven
A wet suit doesn't do much for you in 120 ft of 40 degree water.
The other problem with it is that along with loosing insulation qualities it also looses buoyancy. Remember this isn't a 3 mil shorty, it's a two piece 7 mil that takes lots of lead to sink (at the surface). These divers are often over weighted anyway and at 120 ft they are grossly overweighted and off balance. The work and breath very hard just trying to maintain attitude which of course no one could do in that situation. They are on the verge of panic the entire dive. They are so head up and negative (so they can move foreward) that if they stop kicking they sink like a rock. One little thing goes wrong and everything comes unglued. IMO, a very bad situation for a new diver training with an agency/instructor who doesn't teach balance and trim at all. With correct balance and trim the overweighting can be handled. with the equipment and weighting these divers are outfitted with it would be a very difficult dive for me and I know better than to do it. The only difference is that they don't know yet. even after the dive they don't have much to compare it to. I do.
JohnF
Guest
Why does there need to be a list? We are trained divers, presumably, and when we see folks acting in what we consider an unsafe manner when diving we should recognize it. If I see something that I think warrants Mike's attention, I'll pass it on to him. He is the final arbiter as to what happens from there ... his property, his rules.
I visit Gilboa 5 or 6 times a year and dive with some pretty knowledgeable and experienced folks there. We respect Mike's efforts and right to do what he can to keep the place safe, and therefore open for our enjoyment.
As for the deep side. I've been down there, and frankly, it isn't a fun dive. It's dark and gloomy and I can understand how for some it might be somewhat overwhelming. Not my idea of a positive first deep dive experience for students unless you subscribe to the trial by fire principle of learning. I dive for fun. I feel competent to go into the deep side, but see no reason for it if it isn't fun.
IMHO
JF
I visit Gilboa 5 or 6 times a year and dive with some pretty knowledgeable and experienced folks there. We respect Mike's efforts and right to do what he can to keep the place safe, and therefore open for our enjoyment.
As for the deep side. I've been down there, and frankly, it isn't a fun dive. It's dark and gloomy and I can understand how for some it might be somewhat overwhelming. Not my idea of a positive first deep dive experience for students unless you subscribe to the trial by fire principle of learning. I dive for fun. I feel competent to go into the deep side, but see no reason for it if it isn't fun.
IMHO
JF
chrpai
Contributor
Can anyone post it? I'd like to know what I'm signing before I drive 8 hours.
chrpai
Contributor
Because its customary to know the rules of the game before beginning to play the game.
99% of it is common sense stuff...and it also says that if you are going to dive on the deep side that you will fill out and submit a Deep Dive Plan....
It also mentions something about leaving the fish alone....some specific qwerks with the place that are unique....but other than that...it is your standrd liability release.
As for the police thing...I'm not in favor of policing u/w I am in favor of not letting un-qualified divers go over to the deep side. Yes, the deep side can be dove in a single AL80, and wetsuit, but it isn't a fun dive and leaves very little room for error. I have been there done that, and I'm not going back anytime soon....every qualified diver has the right to dive over there, but I don't think an AOW class should be allowed over there...there is no reason to be there.
cornfed
Mindless lemming
You asked, "Who is to say what is right or wrong?" Then you toss MHK's name around and brought up some equipment choices which are often debated (jacket BC vs BP&wings).
Yeah, I guess I didn't read it correctly. My bad.
No, Dan Gibson said that.
Well... according to dcostanza, "It [the list of no-no's] is on a liability form ALL divers fill out...at the beginning of the season."
<sarcasm>
Now that's suprising. I almost fell out of my chair when I read his post. Can you imagine a dive operator providing a list of rules and regulations to people that show up to dive with them? What's this world coming to!
</sarcasm>
Cornfed
Big T-
"It also mentions something about leaving the fish alone....some specific qwerks "
That is because the courseness of divers gloves have a tendency to remove the protective "slim" from the fish thus making them more acceptable to tumors. Next time you are there, look at some of the trout, they have tumors on their mouths...
Don
"It also mentions something about leaving the fish alone....some specific qwerks "
That is because the courseness of divers gloves have a tendency to remove the protective "slim" from the fish thus making them more acceptable to tumors. Next time you are there, look at some of the trout, they have tumors on their mouths...
Don
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