General Vortex Incident Discussion

[Kevin Carlisle]

We'll just have to disagree on the promotion part, to me having one's own youtube channel is a kind of promotion.....

Thanks for the Piano Room clarification.

I actually called him out, in this thread ( or one of the many other pertaining to this ) and he agreed he was promoting.

 

[Kevin Carlisle]

The Piano room is some 300 feet from the entrance to the cave, and you cannot see daylight from there, even in the very best conditions. And at it's deepest it's 110'.
So it's a cave by distance, by light, and by depth.
However... even the most egregious rototiller can't silt it out to the point that you can't see your way to the pipeline, and the pipeline going uphill goes out. The main passage isn't exactly straight, but it's straight enough that you couldn't confuse it with a side passage (did I mention the pipe?). So while I object to OW divers going to the piano room, and I don't allow any of mine to do it, thousands do go there every year... thousands, and without mishap.
So, like I say, as caves go, Vortex to the piano room is probably the safest cave on the planet.
Rick

Do you think when one of his dives goes bad, probably be an inexperienced diver, that he will be able to get them out with the gear he uses?

 

[boulderjohn]

We'll just have to disagree on the promotion part, to me having one's own youtube channel is a kind of promotion.....

I agree.

 

[shoredivr]

With all this tomfoolery of diving to the grate and back in 4 min etc, is it any wonder that this was the cave that an untrained "cave diver" such as Ben McDaniels dived in a lot.

 

[mdax]

YouTube - deepswim's Channel

this is pure art, how is it possible that a scuba diver sharing air with a skin diver just swam by at 1:03 randomly?
if this isn't the most elaborate trolling ever in the history of the internet it's even stranger

 

[Rick Murchison]

Do you think when one of his dives goes bad, probably be an inexperienced diver, that he will be able to get them out with the gear he uses?

Well, sooner or later some OW diver is going to blow an o-ring or have a high pressure seat failure in the piano room... and hopefully s/he'll get out. Now, given the thousands of OW divers who make the trip, and of those the few that go with Nik, the chances of the failure happening with him are pretty low in the first place, but he's probably better prepared to get someone out than the average buddy that's down there.
Rick

 

[SC_Hoaty]

Uncle Ricky -

Your perspective on Nic is informative and interesting. Your comments are far more educational than Tommy's posts regarding dogpiling. With your command of both technical diving and written English, you are able to show a side of Nic that he himself cannot. Thank you for engaging the conversation instead of trying to shut it down.

 

[Rick Murchison]

Uncle Ricky -

Your perspective on Nic is informative and interesting. Your comments are far more educational than Tommy's posts regarding dogpiling. With your command of both technical diving and written English, you are able to show a side of Nic that he himself cannot. Thank you for engaging the conversation instead of trying to shut it down.

Thank you.
But FWIW, I agree in principle with Tommy, too. (no, I'm not piling on )
Rick

 

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[Rick Murchison]

With all this tomfoolery of diving to the grate and back in 4 min etc, is it any wonder that this was the cave that an untrained "cave diver" such as Ben McDaniels dived in a lot.

There are literally thousands of OW divers who make the trip to the gate at Vortex & back every year. Singling out the 4 min round trip as influential over the others is a bit of a stretch.
Rick