Gas Matching with LP 108's

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jesus Glen's carrying 45% more air than I am, and we breathe down at near the same rate, PSI-wise! I gotta get some LP95's or LP108's.

I like the idea of printing that and laminating it, I think I'm gonna do that... Glen, you oughta be able to print one of those the right size and hole punch it and put it on your wrist slate.
 
jesus Glen's carrying 45% more air than I am, and we breathe down at near the same rate, PSI-wise! I gotta get some LP95's or LP108's.

I like the idea of printing that and laminating it, I think I'm gonna do that... Glen, you oughta be able to print one of those the right size and hole punch it and put it on your wrist slate.

Josh, your tank factor is 2.85. When you both fill to 3600, you have 200cf and Glen has 295cf. That's quite a difference! 67cf is your 1/3s. Considering you're using doubles, the tank factor is actually doubled. Glen's is 8.2 and yours is now 5.7. Divide 67 by Glen's 8.2 tank factor and Glen's 67cf in 108s is equal to 800psi. That means Glen must turn the dive at 2800psi. But remember, at the cavern and intro levels, you must adhere to the rule of 1/6s in doubles, not 1/3s. So you would turn at 3000 and Glen would turn at 3200.

FWIW, in the water I use a "10% rule". For every cf difference in tank size, I subtract 10psi from the turn pressure. This works for doubles. So when matching 85s and 95s. There's 10cf difference, so the diver in the 95s turns at 100psi less than the diver in 85s. IE. 85s turns at 1200 and 95s turns at 1100.

TF for double 85s = 6.4
TF for double 95s = 7.2

85s @ 3600psi carry 230cf
95s @ 3600psi carry 259cf

85s 1/3s = 76cf

95s would have to turn at 1056. Not exactly 1100, but close enough considering the inaccuracy of SPGs. I also teach that you should never dive to full 1/3s of your gas. So this rule works for me

When comparing 108s and 95s, the diver in the 108s must turn at 130 psi, rounded up to 200 psi less than the diver in 95s.

TF for double 95s = 7.2
TF for double 108s = 8.4

95s 1/3s = 86cf

108s would have to turn at 1024. 95s turn at 1200 and 108s turn at 1000.

Compare 108s and 85s and the diver in 108s turns at 300 psi less than the diver in 85s.

85s 1/3s = 76cf

108s would have to turn at 905. 85s turn at 1200 and 108s turn at 900.

It's not perfect, but it works for a quick in water calculation and works great if you don't push the limits of actually diving to 1/3s, which no one should be doing anyway.
 
I adhere to the "Dive 104/108/112/130's like everyone else rule" :p

Anyone know the technical answer to why you hit a law of diminishing returns when filling tanks in higher pressures? I know there was an article a while back in one of the cave magazines (I think Larry Green wrote it) that explained why filling beyond 3600psi didn't gain much gas. I had just been told that gas matching a tank with 3900psi, and one with 2400psi will result in a somewhat inaccurate calculation, because the 2400psi tank will have more gas per psi? I think the difference is small enough that it's not a huge deal (I might be wrong), but I've been curious to hear a clear explanation for a while.
 
But remember, at the cavern and intro levels, you must adhere to the rule of 1/6s in doubles, not 1/3s. So you would turn at 3000 and Glen would turn at 3200.

Holy Smokes Shagman...if I am turning at 3200 psi, with the flow like it is at JB, we will be doing Intro. dives and not getting any further in the cave then we are at cavern level!!! Get bigger tanks...hurry. Yes I know, and I will work on breathing better! But heck, I can burn 300 psi just running the reel to the gold line at JB.
 
The good thing is... at that rate, you can get like a dozen dives from a single fill!! :D
 
Yeah, a dozen CAVERN dives! I am already doing that...I need a no flow cave that is all downhill to get some penetration.:D (Okay, downhill part is only a joke...don't lecture me)

The good thing is... at that rate, you can get like a dozen dives from a single fill!! :D
 
There's a boat launch we can swim from just across the pond, no more than 200 yards. :)
 
Nope, the old man prefers to take the SS Shagman or the Miss Jellyfish. :coolingoff:

There's a boat launch we can swim from just across the pond, no more than 200 yards. :)
 
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