Fourth Diver this year dies at Gilboa

[MikeFerrara]

I am really just trying to say that I do think most classes at least here do teach you to dive with a buddy (if there buddy training is up to par is not relevant) and people just chose to ignore this.

Oh, come on. It doesn't take 10 minutes looking at the text or the standards to see what it is that divers are being taught and not taught.

It did not sound like these buddy were lost on an accent or decent one just chose to go off on there own and find the other group (not sure this is the case but it is stated here and people seem to be bashing based on this info). And then all hell breaks loose with the agency bashing yup it is all there fault and nobody should take responsibility for them self.

No, in these cases, the seperation didn't occure on ascent or descent. I used those as examples because divers are often seperated then and most dives start with a descent.

However, something else that you won't find mentioned in the text is the fact that descents and ascents are dynamic portions of the dive where problems are most likely to occure. They are times when you need to be especially on your toes, prepared and able to respond. Would you agree? I think we can find supporting evidence for that easy enough. Yet in Vans case, they intentionally seperated by letting him return alone.

Everyone is responsible for themselves. When it comes to dive training I think that responsibility starts with understanding what they are purchasing when they purchase training. You know the saying...they just don't know what it is that they don't know.

Shouldn't the agency also be responsible for what they do? Who wrote the standards? Who trained and/or authorizes an instructor? Whos name is right on the card? how is it that nothing is their fault or responsibility?

 

[MikeFerrara]

The Sheriff is having a press conference on Friday at 10am at Gilboa Quarry.

Mike has also extended the invitation to include instructors and experienced divers that might want to be on hand to answer questions of the media regarding the quarry and/or diving safety in general.

Bob, what do yo mean by "extended the invatation"?

 

[wb416]

Bob, what do yo mean by "extended the invatation"?

You can show up and give your 2 cents to the media, if they choose to ask you questions.

 

[Steve R]

However, something else that you won't find mentioned in the text is the fact that descents and ascents are dynamic portions of the dive where problems are most likely to occur. They are times when you need to be especially on your toes, prepared and able to respond.

Well, they were going to write that in there Mike, but after they got through with look up, hands up, kick up and slowing rotate around (to look for your buddy?? lol.....), they simply ran out of room on the page.....

Shouldn't the agency also be responsible for what they do? Who wrote the standards? Who trained and/or authorizes an instructor? Whos name is right on the card? how is it that nothing is their fault or responsibility?

Oh hell no. Say it isn't so.

 

[Steve R]

If the instructor is worried about being sued for what he/she is adding, that doesn't say much for their confidence in what the are adding.

You obviously know jack squat about Padi teaching practices and what they expect, for any "pro" (And I say that tongue in cheek) Padi level course. Quit while you're only this far behind.

The fact that most decent instructors see fit to add so much or entirely gut the class and start over should tell you enough of what we think of the "educationally valid" info they've given their pro's.

I like Mike's quote so much I'll add it in again.......

Shouldn't the agency also be responsible for what they do? Who wrote the standards? Who trained and/or authorizes an instructor? Whos name is right on the card? how is it that nothing is their fault or responsibility?

 

[MikeFerrara]

You can show up and give your 2 cents to the media, if they choose to ask you questions.

Now there's a scary thought.

 

[wb416]

Now there's a scary thought.

Yeh... I thought the same thing when I responded to your post and hit the "post reply" button!

 

[Steve R]

Now there's a scary thought.

You'd better go in disguise Mike, and please call to let me know you're OK when you get back....lol.

 

[MikeFerrara]

Yeh... I thought the same thing when I responded to your post and hit the "post reply" button!

Thanks for the vote of confidence there buddy

You'd better go in disguise Mike, and please call to let me know you're OK when you get back....lol.

I'm not afraid

But, for the record, I wouldn't pick that time and place to discuss the relative merits of training in the industry.

 

[wb416]

Thanks for the vote of confidence there buddy

We luv ya man! :10: