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Ya know, if there was a way I could usurp some of the 'management' of what is going on out there, I'd be up a lot of peoples back sides with a flame thrower to get assistance out, food, water, and most importantly on those 'petrol' companies to be getting some public statements out to tell people what the scoop is.

On another note, one of our local city mayors held a news conference regarding gas prices, donations, etc... I believe he did an excellent job commuincating information. The sad thing is folks have not heeded what he had said and the result is lots of our local gas pumps are covered with bags and gas prices are now 3.19 a gal IF you find it here local.

Is it me or does it seem like our resources (both government and private) are not just weary but they aren't working together at all?
 
This just in, N.O. Cops shoot and kill 6-8 contract workers trying to repare the levys. This just keeps getting worse and worse.
 
Wildcard:
This just in, N.O. Cops shoot and kill 6-8 contract workers trying to repare the levys. This just keeps getting worse and worse.
This is inaccurate and I want to nip this in the bud before it becomes 'fact'

From CNN:

CNN:
Initial AP reports had wrongly indicated that the contractors themselves were shot by police; no other details were immediately available.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/04/katrina.impact/index.html
 
Great information, Rick! I'm also trying to get the word out. In lieu of actual donated items, cash is probably the most preferred and quickest help. To give an idea, here is what my local Red Cross is asking for, in terms of donations and volunteering. Although they have gotten most evacuees out of New Orleans and are in a recovery mode in New Orleans, the Red Cross will need all the help it can get to run the hundreds of shelters it is setting up around the neighboring states, for many months to come. I was a refugee from VietNam, coming here with nothing, and I owe a great debt to this country, and seeing the horrible images both saddens me and moves me to take some kind of action. If it was a disaster in California, I'd want my fellow Americans to help too. Please help me spread the word! This information applies to my local area, but anyone can donate directly by calling 1800HELPNOW, online at redcross.org, or volunteer at your local Red Cross.
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With the devastation of Hurricane Katrina, many Orange Country residents want to help.

Here’s what you can do:

ORANGE COUNTY RED CROSS
The Red Cross has initiated a special hotline for inquiries about Hurricane Katrina. Call (714) 384-0754 for information on donations and volunteer opportunities. The Red Cross is specifically looking for individuals who have already received the following training:
• CERT
• Citizen Corp
• Sheltering training
• Other specialized disaster/first aid training

Disaster Workers Critically Needed!

The Red Cross is also offering a free introduction to disaster service for volunteers who are willing to travel and volunteer at the disaster site for one to three weeks as part of the national Disaster Services Human Resources (DSHR)system. Classes are currently being set up and participants must pre-register. Call (714) 481-5300 Ext. 5337 for specific times and dates

Financial donations are critically needed.

Go online to www.oc-redcross.org or send check to:

American Red Cross of Orange County
% Hurricane Katrina
P.O. Box 894324
Los Angeles 90189
 
Glad to hear there was a error and not the grave error AP put out.
 
MSNBC is reporting that the police shot five people that were shooting at the contractors that were trying to get to the levees. That sounds more plausible, somehow...
 
jonnythan:
Have you guys read the WWL interview with Mayor Nagin?

It's CLASSIC. He spent 10 minutes tearing into the feds. And I don't blame him.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/nagin.transcript/index.html
I think all of Nagin’s pomp and posturing is going to bite him hard in the near future as the lies and distortions of his interviews are coming to light.

On Friday night before the storm hit Max Mayfield of the National Hurricane Center took the unprecedented action of calling Nagin and Blanco personally to plead with them to begin MANDATORY evacuation of NO and they said they’d take it under consideration. This was after the NOAA buoy 240 miles south had recorded 68’ waves before it was destroyed.

President Bush spent Friday afternoon and evening in meetings with his advisors and administrators drafting all of the paperwork required for a state to request federal assistance (and not be in violation of the Posse Comitatus Act or having to enact the Insurgency Act). Just before midnight Friday evening the President called Governor Blanco and pleaded with her to sign the request papers so the federal government and the military could legally begin mobilization and call up. He was told that they didn’t think it necessary for the federal government to be involved yet. After the President’s final call to the governor she held meetings with her staff to discuss the political ramifications of bringing federal forces. It was decided that if they allowed federal assistance it would make it look as if they had failed so it was agreed upon that the feds would not be invited in.

Saturday before the storm hit the President again called Blanco and Nagin requesting they please sign the papers requesting federal assistance, that they declare the state an emergency area, and begin mandatory evacuation. After a personal plea from the President Nagin agreed to order an evacuation, but it would not be a full mandatory evacuation, and the governor still refused to sign the papers requesting and authorizing federal action. In frustration the President declared the area a national disaster area before the state of Louisiana did so he could legally begin some advanced preparations. Rumor has it that the President’s legal advisers were looking into the ramifications of using the insurgency act to bypass the Constitutional requirement that a state request federal aid before the federal government can move into state with troops – but that had not been done since 1906 and the Constitutionality of it was called into question to use before the disaster.

Throw in that over half the federal aid of the past decade to NO for levee construction, maintenance, and repair was diverted to fund a marina and support the gambling ships. Toss in the investigation that will look into why the emergency preparedness plan submitted to the federal government for funding and published on the city’s website was never implemented and in fact may have been bogus for the purpose of gaining additional federal funding as we now learn that the organizations identified in the plan were never contacted or coordinating into any planning – though the document implies that they were.

The suffering people of NO need to be asking some hard questions as do we all, but they better start with why Blanco refused to even sign the multi-state mutual aid pack activation documents until Wednesday which further delayed the legal deployment of National Guard from adjoining states. Or maybe ask why Nagin keeps harping that the President should have commandeered 500 Greyhound busses to help him when according to his own emergency plan and documents he claimed to have over 500 busses at his disposal to use between the local school busses and the city transportation busses – but he never raised a finger to prepare them or activate them.

This is a sad time for all of us to see that a major city has all but been destroyed and thousands of people have died with hundreds of thousands more suffering, but it’s certainly not a time for people to be pointing fingers and trying to find a bigger dog to blame for local corruption and incompetence. Pray to God for the survivors that they can start their lives anew as fast as possible and we learn from all the mistakes to avoid them in the future.
 
NWGratefulDiver:
Interesting quote from the article ...



The question that comes to mind is "why hasn't our government accepted any of this offered help?"

Seems like, in particular, the offers of drinking water and medical teams could be put to immediate use ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
We have water and supplies backed up everywhere already and no way to get those supplies to those in need. Around half the NO police department has abandoned their posts just vanished, and the remaining are not letting most of the relief organizations get to the survivors because of the gunfire. Even police officers from other jurisdictions were denied access to assist in some areas. We’re dealing with a town that before the storm had a violent crime rate 10 times the national average and the many of the good people left early. The airspace over NO has been saturated with relief flights and has to operate off airborne command and control because the ground based radar is out of service, so transportation the final mile to victims is the bottleneck.

The best other nations or people can do is to donate money to groups like the Salvation Army that are providing relief and aid to the victims as they are being dispersed across the country and into new homes.
 
Where did all that info come from?
 
CBulla:
Ya know, if there was a way I could usurp some of the 'management' of what is going on out there, I'd be up a lot of peoples back sides with a flame thrower to get assistance out, food, water, and most importantly on those 'petrol' companies to be getting some public statements out to tell people what the scoop is.

On another note, one of our local city mayors held a news conference regarding gas prices, donations, etc... I believe he did an excellent job commuincating information. The sad thing is folks have not heeded what he had said and the result is lots of our local gas pumps are covered with bags and gas prices are now 3.19 a gal IF you find it here local.

Is it me or does it seem like our resources (both government and private) are not just weary but they aren't working together at all?
Actually they are working together better than ever before, but the news media is also working faster than ever before between 24 hour news and satellite TV production trucks previously unheard of. Just 10 years ago it took 5 days to get support into a major disaster area and now we can pull it off in less than 72 hours (assuming the authorization is given).

Gas prices shot up because we lost 1.5% of our refined supply and the southeast suffered a major disruption in distribution. I would much rather see the price of gas go up as a way of equaling out supply and demand than have some bureaucrat somewhere determine who should be allowed to buy gasoline and who shouldn’t until we can correct the supply problems.
 
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