"Drifting Dan" Carlock wins $1.68 million after being left at sea

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Quote from Divemaster Dave Re- bad roll call on aboard Humbolt Yukon dive 9/11

- Humboldt brought divers on board at the Yukon (most of them)
- Humboldt did partial SI at the Yukon
- Humboldt traveled to Ruby (passed other dive boat en route)
- Humboldt completed SI at Ruby (with time at Yukon and Ruby about an hour)
- Humboldt put divers in the water at Ruby E.
- Humboldt found out a diver was missing upon recovering divers at Ruby E and returned to Yukon

End quote

Still some work needed in this area. I don't have a lot of boat dives but I can say one boat I was on this summer I noticed the following, 1) the DM was not suited up, 2) there was no number assigned to divers, 3) if there was a roll call I didn't hear one, 4) there was no clip board or form of checking off each diver as the went in or out of the water. It was a yukon dive BTW. And yes it was a LDS charter. I did bring up my concern to the LDS later on. I got a list of reasons that all was fine and there was must have been some type of roll call that I was unaware of. huh! But what do I know, it was an AOW class and I'm a newbie.

my .02

I remember reading about this. Yes, this is disturbing. Clearly there IS still some work needed in this area. Let's hope that all the publicity this award is getting, will motivate the dive ops that still have lax practices, to tighten up and stop putting divers in danger.

I've been reading about this case since I started diving in 2006. If I ever ONCE saw a dive boat that didn't have meticulous roll-call practices, I would not be silent. I would speak to the captain and dive masters, AND I would post of my experience here on SB, openly naming the dive op.

The stakes are just too high. There is no excuse for shoddy roll-call practices.

I may be a little more sensitive about this than others because I've been a sailor and boat owner for over twenty years, and have had it drummed into me how dangerous it is for a person to go overboard, and how hard it can be to find someone out at sea.
 
I did search, and I am well aware of the other threads. I posted this here because this is the SoCal forum. There are many of us who tend to hang out just in this forum, many of whom are friends and dive buddies of mine. So there are people I know, who know about this case, who very well might not have seen the other threads. I posted it here as an item of interest to our specific locale.

Which begs the question - this is the SoCal forum. Why are YOU here? And why are you chastising me for posting something of interest in our local forum? Just curious.

Sorry, my bad.:depressed: Just came up in new posts, I generally don't look at the different forums listed by the threads.:dork2: Apologies.:D
 
HT, I do not believe he was an inexperienced diver. He was AOW certified. Based on all of the reading I've done on this case, this case had nothing to do with his being in "over his head."

He was checked in for roll calls, TWICE, even though he was not on the boat. The boat left him drifting alone in the ocean. Then, due to their having mistakenly checked him in for the second dive at a site ten miles away, when they DID realize he wasn't on the boat, they told the Coast Guard to search for him at the SECOND site, almost assuring that he would not be found. The fact that he WAS found is nothing short of a miracle.

Hence, I do not believe this case has anything to do with any errors he might have made, or any lack of experience on his part. The boat left him at sea - that is simply inexcusable. In my opinion.

He made at least two major errors, probably more, he lost contact with his buddies, and he didn't stay within the structure of the oil rig. You have to stay within the structure of the rig or the current will push you out to sea. It's not always easy, but seems like everyone else managed that day. AOW doesn't qualify someone for the oil rigs, they need to be more experienced than just having that cert card. Having said that the boat did make a major error in the roll call. But $1.68 million is crazy I think, maybe $168,000 would be more like it.

But I guess all boats will be doing better roll calls from now on.
 


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Why can't there be duplicate threads on the same subject? There are many many SoCal divers that read the So Cal forum every day but will never ever look in the forum this thread was moved to. This is a disservice to So Cal participants.
 
Why can't there be duplicate threads on the same subject? There are many many SoCal divers that read the So Cal forum every day but will never ever look in the forum this thread was moved to. This is a disservice to So Cal participants.

Are you saying CA members are incapable of navigating the board like the rest of us?
 
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We should just get rid of juries and let the Internet forums decide cases from now on...

That'll solve all the problems with our legal system...

Thank COD the legal system doesn't have the after-the-fact moderators to alter the record that the internet does!

Talk about revisionist history......The internet (on forum like, ummmm... - This one perhaps?) could convict JFK of suicide given adequate help from the mods. If you don't read the posts in real time, and come by after the fact, it is as if nothing ever happened. Not even a note that something was deleted.

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Why can't there be duplicate threads on the same subject? There are many many SoCal divers that read the So Cal forum every day but will never ever look in the forum this thread was moved to. This is a disservice to So Cal participants.

You could always start a new thread? :wink:
 
When you dive the rigs, you are told in the pre-dive briefing to swim to a specific leg of the rig and to surface at the same leg. When it is clear, the DM will direct you to swim to the boat. Dan had only a handfull of dives, none within the previous year. He arrived without a buddy and asked if he could tag along with three guys from the shop. They agreed, but when they began their descent, Dan had trouble clearing. The rest of the team figured he had gone back to the boat when they didn't see him descend. Rather than ascend, he continued to try to equalize, losing sight of the other divers and the rig itself. That is a huge no-no ten miles offshore. When he finally surfaced he said he saw the boat, but when they didn't hear his whistle, he figured they would come and look for him. He never mentioned anything about leg cramps until recently. He had no business being on a dive like that to begin with, he didn't attempt to swim back to the boat, and he didn't follow the briefing. After the entire debacle ended, he did interviews with Oprah, the Today Show and several other media outlets, never once claiming any responsibility.
I think the judgement shoud be shared equally three ways.

Phil, I understand your perspective - I've read your posts on this topic in past threads. I was unaware that it had been such a long time since he'd been diving. But nothing in your post changes my opinion that he was not at fault (although clearly the jury felt he was at least partially so, and ruled accordingly - so I accept that others believe that he was.)

I also agree that he did not execute a perfect dive. But in all of the reading I've done about this incident, and given my own experience as a diver (both on SoCal boats, and at our local rigs), I still cannot see where his errors come even close to the dive op's.

1. He went on a boat without a buddy, and asked to instabuddy. I've done that. (Don't like doing it, but I've done it.)
2. He had trouble equalizing, and stopped descending to deal with it. I've done that.
3. His buddies continued on without him, assuming he chose to leave them, without even bothering to check, or surfacing when they realized their buddy, who they agreed to allow to join them, disappeared. I'm sorry, but that's just wrong. I see THEM as complicit in this overall cluster-f***
4. He surfaced when he couldn't find his buddies. Isn't that what we're supposed to do?
5. Every time I've dived the oil rigs, it was a hot-drop - they dropped us off, then headed off to wait, away from the rigs. We're supposed to signal them when we surface, and they come and get us. I've never seen it done any other way at the rigs. So I believe he had a reasonable assumption that the boat would "come and get him." This was not like most other SoCal dive boat dives - the boats at the rigs generally don't anchor. Was this one somehow different?

I suspect they didn't see him because he surfaced too quickly - they weren't expecting any divers to surface only 15 minutes after drop. And my understanding is that he didn't make it to the rig (where he could have held on and not get swept away) because of his trouble equalizing - hadn't made it there yet, so he never even got close enough to the rig legs to hold on.

I surfaced early from a rig dive once. Out at Grace, I started descending and my computer died - before we'd even reached the rig. I thumbed the dive immediately, and I and my buddy surfaced. The boat was pretty far away, but somebody obviously was watching, because they immediately powered over to us. That's what should have happened for Daniel.

If I'm wrong in any of my beliefs about this incident, please set me straight. I am always open to learning the facts, even if they differ what what I'd believed to be true.
 
Why can't there be duplicate threads on the same subject? There are many many SoCal divers that read the So Cal forum every day but will never ever look in the forum this thread was moved to. This is a disservice to So Cal participants.

THANK YOU Rex. I agree. I was well aware of the other threads when I posted this one. I posted it in SoCal because it's of specific interest to those of us in Southern California.

Is there a reason we can't keep discussing it in our own forum? Many of us ONLY visit there, and wouldn't think to come to this forum.

I'm sorry but this was the wrong thing to do. :shakehead:
 

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