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So this situation hits on a bunch of issues. First is training. I was taught durring my cave dpv course to always lock the scooter down and verify the lock out when ever not riding, always means always even if this will just take a second, lock it down.

I'm not too familiar with that model of scooter but I would guess that the lock out mechanism has a detent that the lock screw will engage if fully screwed in. I doubt it only relies on friction to prevent operation of the trigger. But I could be wrong.

Open water dpv training really lacks core skills and procedures. I would like to see the mainstream diving organizations adopt some more disciplined techniques

In tech diving we are tought to use redundant everything. Yet we see divers just letting go of a dpv to preform a task or do deco. This bad habit let's the scooter float around and possibly get tangled or other crazy stuff. It's also difficult to retrieve when it's time to ride again.
Counting on the single point of attachment may also lead to loss of the dpv durring deco.

Letting the scooter float by the main leash is also like a parashoot if dealing with any current.

Adding an on off switch adds another hull penetraton and potential leak. So you need to decide if that additional function is worth the additional complexity.

We use the Anuk stow and tow system.
It's has a solid anchor point attached to the bottom of the hull when in the parked position.
We simply clip the leash off to our chest D ring when not riding and its secured out of the way but also ready to ride quickly if nessasary.

The scooter will naturally weather vain if we point ourselves into the flow.

Building the good habits of locking down and clipping off takse some time but its always faster to follow a good habit than to deal with the consequences of a bad habit .

Glad everyone is ok.
 

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Perhaps not surprisingly I wouldn't do that again with this model of scooter!



I'm not sure if you've watched the video but the Piranha doesn't have an on/off switch!

Also the leash was secured to the rear of my rebreather when it suddenly started which meant that the drill you descrive wasn't possible as I simply couldn't reach it.

My post was just to explain the type of DPV training I had. All DPV's used during the course had an on/off switch, so I was not aware that there are models without one. Learned something new.
 
I'm not too familiar with that model of scooter but I would guess that the lock out mechanism has a detent that the lock screw will engage if fully screwed in. I doubt it only relies on friction to prevent operation of the trigger. But I could be wrong.


Confirmed, my Piranha and my OG Cuda both have a detent; somehow I never noticed it before.
 
My post was just to explain the type of DPV training I had. All DPV's used during the course had an on/off switch, so I was not aware that there are models without one. Learned something new.
DPV instructors ought to force every student to do one dive with an OG long tube Gavin just so they appreciate the level of luxury we have now. (Cue the Four Yorkshiremen.)
 
Well my T handle has a detent but didn't feel smooth, and the knob bottomed out pushing the actuating rod over

So I put a spring washer under the knob.

Thanks
 
Approx 4 years ago, I ended up being dragged backwards by a DPV that was attached to the rear of my CCR and started operating. With over an hour of decompression still to do, this was an utterly horrifying experience. Quite a lot of the incident was captured on video, which I've put together so hopefully others can benefit from my experience!

If you want to skip straight to the lessons I took from this incident then they're at the 16 minute point!

That **** was ****** terrifying. Glad you survived, mate.
 
Perhaps not surprisingly I wouldn't do that again with this model of scooter!

I'm not sure if you've watched the video but the Piranha doesn't have an on/off switch!

Also the leash was secured to the rear of my rebreather when it suddenly started which meant that the drill you descrive wasn't possible as I simply couldn't reach it.
I've never actually dived a scooter with a separate on/off switch (the extra failure points seem unnecessary)!

The Piranha, along with the Cuda and Sierra which preceded it, uses the finger on the trigger for control and a locking screw to prevent unintended activation of the scooter. If the locking screw is tightened the trigger rod is fixed in position and cannot move, and therefore the scooter will not activate.

Looking at the video it is clear that the locking screw was not adequately engaged, and the trigger was probably caught by the tensioned tow cord and that was enough to move the partly tightened trigger. I've seen this done a few times before, and tried it on the surface, and in every case it wasn't properly locked.

You mentioned the idea of using the thumbscrew to keep the trigger engaged whilst cruising! I was horrified by that idea. I have always believed that releasing the trigger will stop the motor and provide chance to deal with anything unexpected, when it happens. Encountering a problem whilst connected to a live scooter that will not stop when the trigger is released is not a desirable situation.

Also, whilst it might seem convenient, I would never use my scooter to ascend up a shot line (basic physics works well enough and is much safer).

I always leave the leash attached to the crotch strap and, when inactive and not in my hand, I clip the nose somewhere reachable. Most folk favour a shoulder D-ring, and some add a D-ring on the battery, but it should never be attached by only the tow cord, nor out or reach!

Expensive lesson!

If you're looking for a replacement Piranha in the UK I know of one that may be available :wink:
 

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