Doing it Right
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ajduplessis
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SP R295/395 for octo, I like SP Jet Fins. Your stages are awesome and you will love them!!!
modzs
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How far can one really innovate the backplate and wing before they're reinventing the wheel?
ucfdiver
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OK, you said innovative, not just alternative. What has oxycheq innovated...bad customer service? DiveRite gets my credit for SM units, but I don't see innovations there when it comes to BM, so not a Halcyon alternative. Hog/Edge doesn't make anything of their own, just rebranding stuff cheap, I don't see much innovation there.
So yes, there are alternative products. Yes, DSS is an innovative company.
LiteHedded
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When GUE began they used to say that they preferred to be small and did not seek to become a big agency like PADI and all their specialty courses. Now, of course, GUE offers Primer, Fundamentals and the long touted and delayed expensive OW class. As for minimalist gear, check out some of the items they sell;
Cinch system
Harness padding
Giant harness pocket
Gators
T-shirts
Drysuit heater packs
GUE may make you a more competent dive buddy, but to call their approach minimalist is way off course. There is nothing new under the Sun. Everyone is in it for the money.
gue doesn't sell that stuff. I believe you're having trouble reading
LiteHedded
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I wouldn't call a limited run with a bit of pink camo, with a portion of the sales benefiting breast cancer research, a rage. I will say that the system is extremely nice! It comes with a compliment of accessories including weight pockets, bolt extenders for doubles, can light attachment, etc. If I had to buy a new BP/W today, I can't think of another system I would rather own (though in their standard colors, thanks).
Seraphimx
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If you want to be DIR I think the A700 wouldn't fit.
A DIR regulator should be easy to open and fix at depth.
OCTO is MANDATORY, DIR divers just use 2x the primary.
BEING CHEAP)
I don't agree that divers are penny pinchers. I think they became wiser buyers ,that's what Internet does, gives you more tools to negociate.Diving is expensive, the difference sometimes, sadly, is over the 1k mark, if you call peny pinching 1 000$, well you do have a lot of it. I shop around when I buy something as simple as shoes, why should I close my eyes and "trust" the dive shop when I give him my hard earned money to buy a 800$ set. Everyone in the dive industry is in it for the money, why can't scuba divers take care of their money? Nobody will do it for you.
Some LDS' sell over the MSRP, why shouldn't you check it beforehand.
Some don't have an Halcyon dealer near, and it's easier to get DiveRite, why would they be wrong in their choice?
HALCYON)
Halcyon gear is good. But I think it would be a fallacy to say that it's all made in the USA. Do you think your SMB or Wetnotes are made in the USA? I think not. Or SURELY not 100%. I love Halcyon, I have an Halcyon wing. But when you know dive gear is most of the time overpriced and halcyon is even more overpriced as well, it kinda puts it into a "luxury" section that sadly, some people can't afford.
A BP costs ME 60$ to make/ship, and they sell it over 100$, halcyon over 200$. It's just a piece of metal with an H on it.
MADE IN THE USA)
Sadly, that won't make me buy it more, sometimes it's more of a deterrent.
American cars : Pieces are made in Malysia and the whole pieces are assembled in the USA. Yet it's called an "American" Car.
Japanese Cars: Toyota works with local supplier and assembles in the USA. It's a true AMERICAN car, yet they call it "foreign"
ORIGINAL POINT OF THE THREAD)
WE TOTALLY WENT OFF TRACK OF THE OP'S QUESTION PEOPLE
A DIR regulator should be easy to open and fix at depth.
OCTO is MANDATORY, DIR divers just use 2x the primary.
BEING CHEAP)
I don't agree that divers are penny pinchers. I think they became wiser buyers ,that's what Internet does, gives you more tools to negociate.Diving is expensive, the difference sometimes, sadly, is over the 1k mark, if you call peny pinching 1 000$, well you do have a lot of it. I shop around when I buy something as simple as shoes, why should I close my eyes and "trust" the dive shop when I give him my hard earned money to buy a 800$ set. Everyone in the dive industry is in it for the money, why can't scuba divers take care of their money? Nobody will do it for you.
Some LDS' sell over the MSRP, why shouldn't you check it beforehand.
Some don't have an Halcyon dealer near, and it's easier to get DiveRite, why would they be wrong in their choice?
HALCYON)
Halcyon gear is good. But I think it would be a fallacy to say that it's all made in the USA. Do you think your SMB or Wetnotes are made in the USA? I think not. Or SURELY not 100%. I love Halcyon, I have an Halcyon wing. But when you know dive gear is most of the time overpriced and halcyon is even more overpriced as well, it kinda puts it into a "luxury" section that sadly, some people can't afford.
A BP costs ME 60$ to make/ship, and they sell it over 100$, halcyon over 200$. It's just a piece of metal with an H on it.
MADE IN THE USA)
Sadly, that won't make me buy it more, sometimes it's more of a deterrent.
American cars : Pieces are made in Malysia and the whole pieces are assembled in the USA. Yet it's called an "American" Car.
Japanese Cars: Toyota works with local supplier and assembles in the USA. It's a true AMERICAN car, yet they call it "foreign"
ORIGINAL POINT OF THE THREAD)
WE TOTALLY WENT OFF TRACK OF THE OP'S QUESTION PEOPLE
OP, your question about an "octo" makes me think you haven't taken a good look at the equipment essay on the GUE website -- I suggest you do so before your class (and preferably before buying any more gear).
ucfdiver
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Actually, I do, aside from the inflation related valves.
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