Do you use reg. necklace for your primary?

[Beachlover]

NO!
don't pick one
Be like me and change your mind every time you read one of these posts.
Seriously
I want to get a Delta4, I heard it has a shorter(than normal)hose because it has a swivel on the 2nd stage. If it can't be simply changed to a 7ft(seems excessive) I may have to change my mind again.
Getting a BP/W and think I want to combo the octo&inflater eliminating the need for the bungy.(still in the process of changing mind here) Classes would be easier with a standard long hose octo and I would get to keep my Delta

Hi Oxy, just wanted to say thank you for educating(confusing) me with all of your gear selection choices!! I'm just kidding. You do seem to know quite a bit about available gear choices for someone who is'nt even certified yet. Knowledge is power, or something like that.

 

[John_B]

Why can't you just accept that I've tried it and I don't believe it is the better way to stow a hose for recreational purposes? It's not that I didn't know how to do it, it's not that I'm a liar. I just tried both methods and found one way to better than the other.

I didn't mean to imply you were a liar. My only point was that your experience with the primary on long hose (i.e. donate the primary) doesn't tie to my experience or anyone else's experience that I know that has actually used it after some mentoring.

Again, I don't think people aren't cool that you have a different approach. Just that your experiences with the other method seems more like the questions I get from people who don't understand or haven't been mentored (and by mentored I'm talking about the "Basic 5").

 

[Boxcar Overkill]

First let me say I greatly admire many of the people I am disagreeing with here. In fact, I often learn a lot from what they have to say here.

That being said, this feels liking discussions one might have with a room full of scientologist.

 

[Oxy]

Hi Oxy, just wanted to say thank you for educating(confusing) me with all of your gear selection choices!! I'm just kidding. You do seem to know quite a bit about available gear choices for someone who is'nt even certified yet. Knowledge is power, or something like that.

Thats cause i'm not wasting all my time in the water
well I did go splash around for a while at vets today
I just wish I was getting the experience to go with this power
besides i'm tired of going down to the LDS to visit my wetsuit.

 

[Oxy]

That being said, this feels liking discussions one might have with a room full of scientologist.

:11:

 

[onfloat]

First let me say I greatly admire many of the people I am disagreeing with here. In fact, I often learn a lot from what they have to say here.

That being said, this feels liking discussions one might have with a room full of scientologist.

Now don't bring Tom Cruise in to this. :cwmddd:

 

[David P]

Boxcar, don't be glib...
hahaha

but seriously though, I want to see what aspects you see as better. I refuse to say that I am a DIR diver, I will say that I was GUE trained. There are some "things" that I have thought about and think make perfect sense and go against DIR. If you can come up with something, I want to hear what and how. I have only heard what, maybe Im being closed minded, but I see NO advantage.

You keep saying how the hose goes behind your head and down your body; you used a 5' hose so it came under your right arm, up over your left shoulder and behind your head. If the hose slips off behind your head, you have a big loop of hose going from under your arm to the the 2nd stage.
If it is tucked behind you, I don't see how it could possibly be donated as fast or easy. Please explain it. Maybe Im picturing one thing, your trying to describe something else?

 

[Boxcar Overkill]

Boxcar, Not jumping on you, but truly curious... how do you find a simple loop of hose that slides right off the back of your head (assuming you're not wearing a snorkel) and extends out a good 3 feet or so in front of you; is more complex and dangerous than reaching for a reg that is tied off somehow to your Dring, pulling it out, but you cant extend the hose any further from your chest until you reach back and pull the hose out of a bungee that is tied to your tank?

My 2nd stage is attached to a rubber necklace that I have modified to make the neck gap smaller, and fit within my D'ring. So pulling it off my D ring is similar to pulling a reg out of a commercial rubber necklace, if you know what I mean. It is very simple. If I am prone It takes one move of my arm to have my reg extended. If I am not, my arm makes one simple curling motion. Regardless of how simple the "behind the neck method" may be, it is more complex than my method. The hose easily comes out of the bungie on it's own as I deploy it. Let me ask you this, have you seen people stuff the hose down their belt when they didn't have a cannister to loop it behind? It's the same thing, except the belt is around my tank, and made of rubber, (it's actually a cut cross section of a car inner tub). Perhaps I haven't done a good job of explaining it.

You don't see the possibility of the long hose coming out of your storage behind you and getting caught on something?

I don't see it as likely, nor a particularly bad problem if it happens. You have to remember that a 5' hose isn't very big for a 6'3 male. I really barely need to tuck it in the first place.

Now a little jump on ya:
who called you a liar? You are the only person slinging that word around

When I clearly have said that I have tried both systems, and someone says that it is clear to them that I haven't, that pretty much speaks for itself. But we're past that.

I have never seen anyone with a long hose who has trained with it have any kind of problems or complaints with donating air.
You say you practice OOG drills @ a safety stop, how do you restow your 5' reg? seems like its a bit easier to loop the hose behind your head, and tuck in in your belt or under your light. No contortion or buddies needed for storing it...
I am not calling you a liar, I believe that you tried a 5' hose, I would have to honestly say that I agree with others who said that you probably just have not been properly trained so that you feel comfortable with it.

My drill on a safety stop is simply to hand my wife the hose that is attached to my D-ring. It is so simple, it hardly requires a drill. It's on my chest, it's in my hand, it's given to her. No ducking head, not switching to octo, nothing. If I'm in trim, it's as simple as one arm movement forward. It is simple, straight forward, very easy.

I don't restow it when I'm done, usually. But if I wanted to I could either put it in my belt, (like a DIR diver without a cannister light often does) or restow it on the tank, (although that is admittedly a little harder). Again, a 5 foot hose isn't very long on a big diver.

One last question, ignoring tech/cave diving; simply recreational diving here... what makes your idea better than what many of us are doing? (again not jumping ya, just trying to see the logic here)

My way, someone comes up looking like they need some gas
Step one: grab long hose at fitting on side of reg
Step two: duck head and extend right arm out
done The recipient is breathing, now unloop the hose from under the light or pull it out of the waist band

Your way.
Step one: grab reg
Step two: rip reg out of constraint
cant donate yet, hose is neatly tucked behind you somewhere and wont extend past your chest
Step three:switch reg to left hand
step four: reach back with right hand and grab bungeed hose
step five: pull out long hose
step six: switch reg back to right hand and extend arm

ok if you first grab the reg across your body with your left hand and donate with your left hand you can cut it down to 4 steps. Honestly I don't see how this is better?

As to your last question, as I stated before, it's identical to your system, except that I don't have to duck my head or switch to my octo. The octo comes out with a little yank, and the hose deploys as easily as if you had it tucked in your belt. Maybe even a little easier. My system, which is pretty old and certainly not mine, has fewer steps, but it's not that different.

If you are not against a diver tucking the excess hose into their belt, you shouldn't be against tucking it in a bungee around the tank. It's almost the exact same thing.

Take care.

 

[Boxcar Overkill]

I didn't mean to imply you were a liar. My only point was that your experience with the primary on long hose (i.e. donate the primary) doesn't tie to my experience or anyone else's experience that I know that has actually used it after some mentoring.

Again, I don't think people aren't cool that you have a different approach. Just that your experiences with the other method seems more like the questions I get from people who don't understand or haven't been mentored (and by mentored I'm talking about the "Basic 5").

I didn't think you were calling me a liar, but thank you anyway.

I'll say this once again: I didn't have problems deploy my long hose when I used it behind my neck. I don't see how it would have gotten better with mentoring, when I didn't have trouble with it in the first place.

But I don't think it's as good a configuration in an emergency situation as the old school way for recreational diving. I think it is needlessly complex for recreational diving. I think that there are more potential problems when the donator is not in control of the situation and is out of trim and a panicked diver is trying to use self-help - which for a rec dive is probably the modal actual OOA experience.

Tucking the hose in a bungie on the tank is very little different than tucking it in your belt, if you don't have a cannister light to park the hose behind. That is a common DIR configuration. It would be hard to be against one, and not against the other, particularly when you aren't concerned with re-stowing.

The only question you have after that is, is it preferable to run the hose behind your head or attach it to a modified necklace on your D-ring. I don't know why anyone would think placing the hose behind your head makes it simpler or safer.

 

[Scubastud16]

I don't know why anyone would think placing the hose behind your head makes it simpler or safer.

Just try it. Dive with someone who does. Provided you are NOT wearing a snorkel, you can either pull it off yourself with a 'hail'-type motion, or if someone gives it a tug...just duck! This system is unbelievably simple and effective. It may not seem like it, but it is. Don't condemn it until you dive with someone who utilizes this properly.