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No problem for a Canadian based company to do business in Cuba, DAN is an American company and I have heard it is illegal for DAN to pay for any services or business exchange in Cuba, so I would check to make sure DAN can pay out if you should need any Medical assistance in Cuba.
Ah, it's a weekday during business hours so I could call DAN before I forgot the question - and did...
1: No, DAN cannot pay medical expenses in Cuba, something for a Canadian legally going or an American illegally sneaking over from Mexico to consider. I did not ask if they could reimburse paid expenses, but I presume not as they could not communicate with the providers there.

2: All if not lost! If the accident is serious enough to warrant medical evacuation, DAN membership and Travelers' Assist will arrange & pay for that, then cover your needs on arrival in Florida or wherever.​
So true enough, if planning a trip to Cuba, make other arrangements for dive insurance. For any travels at all, it pays to check on things in advance. Glad this came up.
 
I recently got my NAUI OW, and during most of the course they made a big deal about DAN membership/insurance. I was looking at the differences between the insurance grades and figured I'd check ScubaBoard, however I couldn't find any posts about DAN at all. Is DAN less important / less well regarded than my NAUI instructors caused me to think, or am I useless with a search box?

Lets see, Option 1) dive and get bent with DAN and your treatment is paid. Option 2) Dive and get bent without DAN and you pay the $10,000 in medical bills... Humm...

Gotta think about that one... seems like one could save a lot of money not paying the $29 a YEAR for DAN insurance.
 
Lets see, Option 1) dive and get bent with DAN and your treatment is paid. Option 2) Dive and get bent without DAN and you pay the $10,000 in medical bills... Humm...

Gotta think about that one... seems like one could save a lot of money not paying the $29 a YEAR for DAN insurance.
Mmmmm, while I agree with you in spirit - allow me to correct a few figures...

1: $10,000 may not be nearly enough if you don't have DAN membership & dive insurance.

2: $29 is incorrect. Membership is now $35/year for individuals (family discounts available but I guess you only get one magazine?) DAN Divers Alert Network : Membership - Services No Scuba Diver Should Be Without

3: Dive insurance plans additionally needed start at $25/year http://www.diversalertnetwork.org/insurance/compare.asp but the cheapest Standard plan really sucks compared to the middle Master plan for only $10/year more. The cheaper plan includes NO COVERAGES FOR...
Other Dive Injury Medical Expense - only Decompression Illness

None for Extra Transportation

None for None for Extra Accommodations

None for Lost Diving Equipment

Among other differences
Do not get the cheapest plan; it is better than nothing, but barely. The $45,000 Lifetime max might even be too little. Get the middle plan for $35 if not the top plan for $70.

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Ah, it's a weekday during business hours so I could call DAN before I forgot the question - and did...
1: No, DAN cannot pay medical expenses in Cuba, something for a Canadian legally going or an American illegally sneaking over from Mexico to consider. I did not ask if they could reimburse paid expenses, but I presume not as they could not communicate with the providers there.

2: All if not lost! If the accident is serious enough to warrant medical evacuation, DAN membership and Travelers' Assist will arrange & pay for that, then cover your needs on arrival in Florida or wherever.​
So true enough, if planning a trip to Cuba, make other arrangements for dive insurance. For any travels at all, it pays to check on things in advance. Glad this came up.

Discovered this after I dove in Cuba at Sharks Friend thankfully no mishaps but it did open my eyes to check thing out in lieu of making assumptions, its a shame but now I avoid diving in Cuba.
 
Thanks DandyDon, I was just quoting from general reccolection. More than $10,000 maybe correct. I was just trying to not sound too dramatic.

My point is that at $35 a year (that's the cost of one Starbucks latte a month) even a student can afford to get basic insurance that will save their bacon when scuba diving. It's just plain stupid to not pay to be safe with a sport/hobby that is life threatening like scuba. And yea, you can copair it to sky diving or some other death defying sport, but with scuba there is insurance and medical technology to fix things if they occure, so use them.
 
Well, membership & insurance combined is $70/year with the middle program but for me - have it or don't dive, anywhere. I was reading last night in the new issue of "Alert Diver" about how many divers dive inland in the US. Also potentially dangerous.
 
Not to side track but, Maybe Cuba will open up to Americans soon. Kind of silly rules now that we are buddies with the Russians and Chinese.

Ok back to the Dan thread.

I think of it like car insurance I'm not willing to gamble everything else that I've worked for just to save a few $$ on car insurance.


When I have been to Roatan (I think Please correct me If I'm wrong) but they ask for a donation to the Chamber organization when you check in. I thought the extra little they asked for was insignificant compared to the service they offered.
 
You never know. I know of a couple that vacationed in Grand Cayman this past year. Extremely experienced divers both. After a couple days of repetitive diving, on the second dive of the day, the wife is on the surface interval gets a hit of bends. Rush to the hospital for a long chamber ride.

Here's the thing. After years of paying her DAN premium, she did not renew last year. I think they said the treatment was going to cost them somewhere around $5k.

You just never know.
 
This subject does come up now and then, but I never tire of it as I really like to see it discussed anew now and then. You could put this info in a sticky but so many don't read those.
You never know. I know of a couple that vacationed in Grand Cayman this past year. Extremely experienced divers both. After a couple days of repetitive diving, on the second dive of the day, the wife is on the surface interval gets a hit of bends. Rush to the hospital for a long chamber ride.

Here's the thing. After years of paying her DAN premium, she did not renew last year. I think they said the treatment was going to cost them somewhere around $5k.

You just never know.
That reminded me of a post Peter made last summer. Took some searching but I found it. This is also illustrated why the $10,000 risk mentioned above was maybe too low. I'll continue below...
Let me also give an example, from a dive operator's point of view. A few years ago I had an extended family group diving with me. Seven people if I remember correctly, three generations and three vertically (ie three siblings and families).

My standard registration form asked for details of insurance. I required it for tech divers, but only recommended it for rec divers such as these. Every member of the group had cover (all DAN I think, but there are others) except the group leader, the only man with kids in the group.

Anyway, they were all experienced and good divers and had been diving with us for a few days, so we were pushing more towards the edge of the envelope as that's what they wanted. Still well within no-deco limits mind. At the end of the first dive one morning the DM had completed the safety stop and was just starting the final ascent to the boat. This man, who was an avid photographer, spotted several eagle rays on the bottom 70ft below, and went straight down to them. The DM (who is now a renowned local instructor, despite being very young) sent his wife & kids and the rest up to the waiting boat and stayed at 15ft watching the photographer. After he'd fired off a few snaps he rocketed back up towards the boat. The waiting DM stopped him and held him there, very much against the photographer's will, for over 10 minutes, then surfaced for the boat. The man was mildly annoyed at what had just happened and clearly didn't appreciate why the DM had behaved in that way. He insisted he was fine, and the DM didn't see anything untoward, so when the boat went out again an hour later the photographer was on it.

After lunch he (the photographer) was walking along the beach with his 12-year old daughter who had been in the dive group when he suddenly collapsed unconscious. Luckily Belize's only recompression chamber is here in San Pedro and it took maybe 20 minutes to get him there. I knew none of this, as I was elsewhere on the island doing something else. I had a call from the chamber several hours after he was admitted, and went there when his first course of treatment was due to end. That's when I found out all the above, from his wife and my DM.

When the man emerged from the chamber he looked terrible, with a bubble on one eyeball that was bigger than the eye itself. He was in a lot of pain from joint bends, and his skin was crackling like a crisps packet. I talked with him and he was a changed man, deeply apologetic. His wife showed him scant sympathy.

To cut a long story short, he had repeated treatments over the next eight days, and was then discharged. He wasn't allowed to fly for at least another three or four days, and then only when a certificate had been issued by the chamber.

Throughout all this time his family stayed close by, though they had to move hotels as theirs was fully booked after their prebooked term had expired. Obviously all flights had been cancelled and not rebooked because no-one knew when he'd be ready to fly.

As he didn't have any dive insurance he had to pay the lot. I participated in a scheme to support the chamber financially which meant that their charges for my divers were capped, but even so he was charged US$35k for chamber and all his medical costs. Add to that the cost of cancelled flights and almost two weeks of additional hotel accommodation for 7 people and you can see that for him it was a VERY costly mistake not to have insurance. US$65 spent on DAN cover as I had recommended would have meant that most if not all of these costs would have been covered.

If he had been diving elsewhere in the country, at least several hours away from the chamber, it was the view of the senior doctor that he might not have made it at all. So there are two lessons here - GET INSURANCE and DIVE CONSERVATIVELY, or at any rate not stupidly, bearing in mind what medical support is available to you.
A few notes...
DAN's cheapest dive insurance plan would not cover the extra accommodation and extra transportation expenses. The medium level or Master plan should be the minimum considered for only $10/year more!

To avoid confusion, Peter's suggestion of "$65 spent on DAN" is slightly short, as the actual cost would be $35 membership + $35 plan = $70, altho the family members could have had memberships @ $17.50 each.

And, DAN's dive insurance is the only insurance product they offer I like. Their trip & gear insurance really sucks I think. I suppose they were pressed to add those as "why don't ya?" ideas that failed. Their dive insurance product is outstanding those, as is their magazine and some of their retails products.​
Thanks :cowboy:

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Did anyone mention the best dive magazine published is included in the membership? Very informative. When it arrives, do read. :thumb:

I dont think I can agree about this.

I much prefer the other commercial magazines to DANs.

I want product reviews not endless drivel about conservation and safety.

Safety, some will say, needs to be hammered in.. I feel that those people who need it constantly maybe should not be doing the act. You either get it or dont. If you dont, then you need to not do the act.

Conservation is not something I am into and I really do not want to constantly read about what is being done and what people need to do for it.

I do enjoy the stories that tell what happened to a diver that messed up. I really like how often they seem to "know" everything that happened when no one was around to witness it.. Sure forensics can get you some insight but you truely never know what happen in the persons head leading up to the end.
 
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