Buddy missing on surface - What would you have done?

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DandyDon:
Thanks ILDiver. Yeah, this is where the problem started....

I simple should have searched the surface and parking lot better, then sounded an alarm for help from better trained divers. My emotions gave me a bad lead, leading to a bad action.

And I did learn again from the experience to discuss details better in advance. I wrote the notes on my slate of "stay close" and "tell me when you're at 1500#/1000#" most as a reminded to me to discuss those, but also so I can point to them later. I think that buddies should do those things for each other but I really want it to happen with me. :D

actually, as others pointed out, the problems really started on the boat, where it seems like a more careful and firm briefing was in need (been in that place myself).

But then even when they didn't stay close enough, you might have thumbed the dive -- since anyone can thumb anytime for any reason. this is what i would (hope) i would do if i got uncomfortable during a dive, but it is sometimes another thing when you are actually there.
 
SadiesMom:
...Once the signal for "turn around" is given, the buddy (or everyone in the group) nods or gives the "OK" signal back - to make sure that everyone has seen it and understood...
Just 'cause folks nod and say OK doesn't mean they understood. If they return the signal given, then you can probably be sure they saw it.
 
Don, I would be happy to dive with you any time. Mo betta someone who learns than someone who blows smoke bubbles with little dive time.
 
Uncle Pug:
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C'mon UP, how are they going to ride over thar hills into the sunset without a pony?

You're a good rider Don. I mean sport. Just out of curiosity if you want to answer, how much time passed after you and the other buddy surfaced before you went back down? How long after you went back down till he surfaced?

I felt less comfortable later, and worked on prevention of ever repeating the problem, but have decided to ask other trained and experienced divers - what would you have done at the moment...??

Yes, an ounce of prevention is worth a ton of medicine.

Strictly from the perspective of what I would have done when faced with this situation, and I’m no expert on these matters, so feel free to dismiss everything I say, but for whatever it may be worth, I would wait a few brief minutes thinking that possibly the other diver may have decided to extend the stop, become distracted by looking at something of interest or whatever. In this case it's possible he may have mistaken some in the class for you guys. The important thing is that given that you guys were surfacing, any such delays or confusion would likely be soon resolved. While waiting at the surface I would be searching for signs of him surfacing. I would shortly begin discussion with the other diver about any pertinent knowledge such as gas consumption, remaining gas, known habits, etc. As time passed without him surfacing, eventually the gas consumption estimate would determine crunch time.

Based on the leeway you had in terms of gas supply and available dive time, at some point after a reasonable amount of time has passed, but while a rescue mission is still possiible, as a personal decision I would probably have gone back down in an attempt to cover all possible angles. Underwater search considerations have been pointed out which determine it’s effectiveness and accordingly guide in risk exposure assessment. How much risk would I have taken? It depends on who I was searching for, much more for a loved one than an unknown. One has to consider one’s ability, available resources and options, before deciding to proceed in this matter, as well as the willingness to accept unnecessary personal risk. There is no universal right and wrong here, just a personal choice to be made and the need to willingly accept any resulting consequences. Obviously, if one does not have the ability to effect a rescue, the decision is simple, it should not be attempted. Other measures to help should be taken, such as seeking the assistance of those who can help, collecting and assisting them with relevant information and assistance within one's means. Having a diver on the surface or watching in case assistance in needed when the diver surfaces is a big plus. This was a big advantage in this situation.

In the end if I may pass some judgment on your decisions, it would be that going back down was possibly generally premature and thus unnecessary, hence my two questions in the beginning. I don’t know your ability to help with any given scenario, so I can’t comment on that. And I don’t know how sound was your judgment about your abilities, available resources, and considerations for a worst case scenario, in regards to whether you unknowingly took unacceptable risks for yourself. The fact that you later admitted you need to make some adjustment in this matter, if I’m not mistaken, would indicate you may have unknowingly taken unacceptable risks. We live and we learn. Play it safe.

I’ve had, as probably most divers have at one time or another, surfaced separated from a buddy, but luckily I have never faced a critical decision point. Care in choosing and knowing one’s buddy is of utmost importance here, followed next by good predive planning and communication plus indive adherance and communication. It’s not easy to do, but often the best course of action with a non cooperative buddy is to dedicate the dive to baby-sitting with an explanation later, or even harder to do but possibly more impactful and helpful, would be to thumb the dive, and later after exiting explain the reasons why. If the latter were widely practiced it would probably create more knowledgeable and responsible buddy divers. But I’m shifting the topic here.
 
limeyx:
actually, as others pointed out, the problems really started on the boat,


BOAT? What boat? Thw Blue Hole in Santa Rosa where Don was diving is a hole on the ground full of water. It is aproximately 60 feet in diameter at the surface and 100ft in diameter at the bottom. Depthis 81 or so feet deep, water is normally very clear. You can see the bottom quite clearly from 60 ft. Takes about 30 seconds to see every square inch of it. No need for a dive flag, mentioned earlier in this thread, since there are no boats. Not much of a need for a SMB since you can see either one of the "platforms" from anywhere in the hole. I think Don mentioned that the visibility was great do to increased out flow of the spring. The Blue Hole is not the ocean or a muddy quarry or lake.

Joe
 
Northeastwrecks:

nt? Been awhile since I've seen the list on chat board shortcuts...what is nt?

Joe
 
nt = no text

It is sometimes used when a member decideds to delete their post. The post itself cannot be user deleted but for a period of time it can be user edited. The original post might have been replaced with a simple nt.
 
I just want to add that for the average recreatioanal diver diving with the average little known or unknown buddy, its usually best to stay and take appropriate measures on the surface in the event the buddy is late surfacing.
 
As with everything communications is the key. It has been mentioned as to some hand signs. There is a very good course available for divers - it is called seasigns. It was developed by a diver after she watched her brother and his daughter (the daughter is porfoundly deaf) communicating under water. It is based on the American Sign Language. In Seasigns gangrel's sign for pressure is loosely "again".

Becky
 
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