Interesting how my comments about Dive Ops considering asking for a current medical for PARTICULARLY DANGEROUS dives (like they do before we can take a course) has turned into Government Regulation... I figure that is a pretty big leap!
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Yes, this is a quick reflex for some 
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Originally I was thinking of replying to this but you beat me to it:
As I'm over 50 and had to check "Over 40" off on a recent course waiver, I resemble that remark.
By the time I'd gotten all steamed up over potentially being over a certain unspecified age, you'd made the post I quoted.
I step away from the computer to do some actual work, then jkaterenchuck batted my post and the Canadian medical system around all in one swoop, and here we are, miles from the OP....
.Originally I was thinking of replying to this but you beat me to it:
As I'm over 50 and had to check "Over 40" off on a recent course waiver, I resemble that remark
.By the time I'd gotten all steamed up over potentially being over a certain unspecified age, you'd made the post I quoted.
I step away from the computer to do some actual work, then jkaterenchuck batted my post and the Canadian medical system around all in one swoop, and here we are, miles from the OP....
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Yes, this is a quick reflex for some
As I'm over 50 and had to check "Over 40" off on a recent course waiver, I resemble that remark
By the time I'd gotten all steamed up over potentially being over a certain unspecified age, you'd made the post I quoted.
I step away from the computer to do some actual work, then jkaterenchuck batted my post and the Canadian medical system around all in one swoop, and here we are, miles from the OP....
funny how that happens
You think you have it bad.... next year when I hit 60 :shocked2: (how'd I get there so quick) some people will expect me to self destruct when I hit the water :doh:
Because I am Canadian and happen to have a green card so I can live in the USA. I also happen to travel extensively in other countries and am just finishing up a 2 month trip in Thailand.
Not only do I know about it I have had extensive experience with treatments in both the USA and Canadian systems.
I just choose to put limited information in internet profiles so you might want to not assume what I know and do not know.
John
I step away from the computer to do some actual work, then jkaterenchuck batted my post and the Canadian medical system around all in one swoop, and here we are, miles from the OP....
This thread was miles away from the OP after about page 5. Since then aside from a couple of posts from people that were actually there its been nothing but the same old monday morning quarterbacking over and over again.
By the way my comments to your post was to reinforce that common sense was way too broad of a statement. You thought it was a good thing and I think its a terrible thing so how could it be common sense. I would never want the dive operators using a medical screening so that they can make a decision what dive site I should or should not dive and certainly not because someone's lack of responsibility and accountability caused that to happen. There are too many other agenda that can come into play with such a requirement of which most would not be in my best interest but rather in the best interest of the dive operator or their insurance company. In fact I would say that most family doctors have no real knowledge about what does or does not effect diving and would most likely error on the side of conservatism. If we all followed that model then none of us would be diving either recreational or technical since the No Decompression Tables you are using are not an exact science.
ANY AND ALL DIVING IS RISKY. Some of us choose to learn what the risks are and how to minimize them and what factor cause a shift one way or the other. And then we dive with a plan rather than being a tourist expecting someone else like a DM or Shop to protect us and keep us safe. If you ask me that attitude which is displayed by many recreational divers over and over again each day is far more dangerous than any deep, long decompression, rebreather or cave dive I have done.
The comments about the Canadian Health Care system was me being sarcastic to make the piont that it was not common sense. Although, I have extensive first hand experience in the Canadain and USA medical systems and some in those of European and Asian countries. I could go on about this subject but it would be a waste of time in a scuba diving forum.
John
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Well this is another example of a total worthless posting and that now make 626 posts. I guess you assume your the only one that understands the purpose for this forum such that you needed to show it to me.
I will continue with my opinion and you can continue your speculation. Good luck to anyone that thinks the time to read all 626 posts is useful to improve their diving. My advise is stop reading after about page 5 and you will have gotten 99% of the useful learning and then use the time you would of otherwise wasted reading the rest to go out and dive instead of internet diving.
Since you show AU as your home I suspect your opinion about predive approval comes from the regulations in place in AU that are not well know by divers in other countries. What might be useful would be for you to outline what these reguations are so that others understand your opinion and bias and then back up the fact that they are useful by presenting actual specific studies that indicate the divers in AU incur less accidents and incidents then divers in other countries and that this is directly attributed to these regulations.
John
I am sorry you have such a low opinion of your post but I certainly woundn't want to disagree with you!
Tricia
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Folks,
Several of you have raised the issue of having a medical certificate/check before diving. Since I am about to go for my new one next Monday (I have to get one each year), I thought I'd share.
I'll be diving this summer with the Club Med at either Turks & Caicos or in the Bahamas (I'm a single diver and I like their set-up). Anyone who dives with CM and lives in France (even an American like me) is required to arrive at the resort with a certificate from a French doctor who holds a specialised qualification (don't ask me to translate the name, but it's sub-aquatic something or other and the doctor does special training to get it). The doctors I've seen over the years have all been scuba divers themselves.
The doc first does a total med exam of me (poking around my ears, nose, checking my teeth and asking the last time I saw the dentist, etc.). Then he listens to my heart and lungs and has me exhale through a spirometre (?) - a machine where you exhale and it registers your lung capacity. The he makes me do some sort of exercise to get my heart rate up, etc. Could be a few minutes on an exercise bike, one time I had to do deep knee bends while he counted to 45 - God, did my knees hurt after that! Then he checks my pulse, heart rate and breathing again to see how I recover from sudden, vigorous activity. The doc also goes over my medical history and specifically asks about any recent medical incidents (this is where he would find out if I had just had a stroke, like Mrs. Wood).
I'm probably leaving something out, but the point is that by the time you're done, the dive doc knows if you are physically capable of diving or not. Now, next Monday will be interesting because I've gained weight this past year and - despite several attempts to quit - am still smoking. I won't at all be surprised if he refuses me and tells me to clean up my act and come see him in a month and he'll decide then. These docs have the power to do that and they will.
I know that the States doesn't have this type of system, but I know there are of course, doctors there specialised in diving medicine. I strongly encourage all divers over the age of 40 (or maybe younger, deopending your med history) to go and get checked by one before diving. Yes, we all love to dive, but it's stupid to risk your life when this is so easy to check out BEFORE you go diving.
Best regards,
Tricia
Several of you have raised the issue of having a medical certificate/check before diving. Since I am about to go for my new one next Monday (I have to get one each year), I thought I'd share.
I'll be diving this summer with the Club Med at either Turks & Caicos or in the Bahamas (I'm a single diver and I like their set-up). Anyone who dives with CM and lives in France (even an American like me) is required to arrive at the resort with a certificate from a French doctor who holds a specialised qualification (don't ask me to translate the name, but it's sub-aquatic something or other and the doctor does special training to get it). The doctors I've seen over the years have all been scuba divers themselves.
The doc first does a total med exam of me (poking around my ears, nose, checking my teeth and asking the last time I saw the dentist, etc.). Then he listens to my heart and lungs and has me exhale through a spirometre (?) - a machine where you exhale and it registers your lung capacity. The he makes me do some sort of exercise to get my heart rate up, etc. Could be a few minutes on an exercise bike, one time I had to do deep knee bends while he counted to 45 - God, did my knees hurt after that! Then he checks my pulse, heart rate and breathing again to see how I recover from sudden, vigorous activity. The doc also goes over my medical history and specifically asks about any recent medical incidents (this is where he would find out if I had just had a stroke, like Mrs. Wood).
I'm probably leaving something out, but the point is that by the time you're done, the dive doc knows if you are physically capable of diving or not. Now, next Monday will be interesting because I've gained weight this past year and - despite several attempts to quit - am still smoking. I won't at all be surprised if he refuses me and tells me to clean up my act and come see him in a month and he'll decide then. These docs have the power to do that and they will.
I know that the States doesn't have this type of system, but I know there are of course, doctors there specialised in diving medicine. I strongly encourage all divers over the age of 40 (or maybe younger, deopending your med history) to go and get checked by one before diving. Yes, we all love to dive, but it's stupid to risk your life when this is so easy to check out BEFORE you go diving.
Best regards,
Tricia
Sorry to correct you but you made post 626 which I quoted and I had a low opinion of your post. Now I have a low opinion of you since you completely ignored my reasonable request to expand upon the AU regulations and the documented results they have for improving diver safety. Since you tout wanting to use this forum so that people can learn it would seem that you and the AU regulation might have something to prove to us less regulated divers in other countries.
John
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