Vessel Authorities preventing Red Sea liveaboard sailings - Egypt

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Anumber of scuba diving liveaboards in the Egyptian Red Sea have been prevented from leaving port this week, apparently due to authorities clamping down on regulations concerning qualifications held by members of the crew.

A report in German dive magazine Taucher.net suggests that a sudden rule change governing crew qualifications has prevented many liveaboards from being granted permission to set sail.

The rules governing crew qualifications are not new. All liveaboards operating in the Red Sea must have two captains – one of whom must hold a Master Mariner’s license – and two marine mechanics as part of the crew.

According to Taucher.net, however, the rule change means that one of the mechanics must hold a more advanced mechanical engineering license, a course which takes at least 20 days to complete and a total of six weeks for the certification to be issued.

There are, currently, only a handful of mechanics in Marsa Alam with the appropriate license, who are now demanding higher wages for their services. One liveaboard operator has also claimed that authorities have refused to issue licenses to crew members who have recently completed the advanced training.

DIVE understands that some boats have since been allowed to depart, presumably after authorities tracked down the appropriate paperwork, however, divers were forced to wait on board for several days while moored in Port Ghalib.

The clampdown has been made in the wake of the Sea Story disaster, in which four people lost their lives and another seven – including two Brits – remain missing, although there is little hope they might still be alive.

It also appears that another sinking was prevented on Sunday 15 December, when 28 passengers and crew were rescued after their boat suffered damage and began taking on water in strong winds and high seas. The vessel limped back into port in Marsa Alam on Monday.

Some divers have posted on social media stating that their trips have been cancelled, with one operator apparently citing ‘adverse weather conditions’, but there is no indication yet as to the longer-term effects on pre-existing bookings.

More regulations are apparently due to come into force in January, but what happens over the next few weeks is far from clear.

DIVE has reached out to several different tour operators but, at the time of publishing, has not yet received a reply. Divers planning to head out on a Red Sea liveaboard in the next few weeks might want to check in with their operator to check the status of their trip.

We will keep you updated with new information as and when we receive it.
 
I suppose at some point the Egyptian authorities had to crack down on the "relaxed" liveaboard security standards (or lack of), as there were too many incidents that they could not sweep it under the rug anymore.

I hope that it does not come on the guest's account- last moment cancelations without refunding... Won't be surprised if some operators tell nothing to the guests, have them onboard and only then break the sad news that they can't sail (or lie to them that there is bad weather etc.).

About your signature (Carbon monoxide) it is so inexpensive to add a CO detector inline while filling the cylinders that one would expect any filling station/dive club/shop to monitor CO (along with pressure, O2 percentage etc.). The dive club where I fill my cylinders does monitor CO and they have a second analyzer connected in line with the gas analyzer where divers check their Nitrox (or tech) cylinders. I have noticed that most divers are used to analyze their Nitrox O2 percentage are completely unaware of CO analyzer and don't even bother to switch it on..
 
About your signature (Carbon monoxide) it is so inexpensive to add a CO detector inline while filling the cylinders that one would expect any filling station/dive club/shop to monitor CO (along with pressure, O2 percentage etc.). The dive club where I fill my cylinders does monitor CO and they have a second analyzer connected in line with the gas analyzer where divers check their Nitrox (or tech) cylinders. I have noticed that most divers are used to analyze their Nitrox O2 percentage are completely unaware of CO analyzer and don't even bother to switch it on..
Oh really?! It'd be nice if DAN and the agencies entered the 21st century and taught safer diving with checked gases. The technology is new yes, and today's instructors and agencies didn't develop with it, but it's affordable now.
 
I think I’ve seen this movie before.

Lax local standards and inadequate to non-existent enforcement lead to a rash of incidents that can’t be swept under the rug.

The local government has a convulsive response that’s more symbolic than it is relevant and/or curative. It’s immediately over-reaching, focused on a few symptoms that don’t get to the heart of the matter and lacks any descriptive vision for the future. It’s more like punishment than it is constructive correction.

Local experts with global experience are nowhere in the consultation process for enduring solutions. In fact, the experts the local government consults are a complete mystery to the most prominent business leaders and the consulting experts don’t have any relevant experience.

Almost everyone is penalized in different ways - directly or indirectly. I say ‘almost’ because the branch of government that owns implementation of the new policy probably doesn’t have a sense of ownership about the industry.

A few months pass and it’s back to normal.

I’m a cup half full person but I’m not holding my breath that the GoE is going to get on par with industry best practices from other parts of the world.
 
I think I’ve seen this movie before.

... In fact, the experts the local government consults are a complete mystery to the most prominent business leaders and the consulting experts don’t have any relevant experience.

That part is optional and may come in after consulting the actual experts and finding out that the answer is "no": then you either hire "better" experts or, if you're out of funds for that, ignore the answer you got. Ask me how I know.
 
If we all speak with our wallets, the Egyptian Liveaboard industry will surely change. But there lies the key. We all have to do it. If people keep booking because its cheap, then nothing will change.
 
That part is optional and may come in after consulting the actual experts and finding out that the answer is "no": then you either hire "better" experts or, if you're out of funds for that, ignore the answer you got. Ask me how I know.
how do you know?
 
how do you know?

Aussies banned minors from calling "adult chat" phone services back in the 90s when I worked in Computer Telephony there. I know from eyewitnesses that they "consulted" with the 2 telecom providers and a couple of other experts and who all told them there is no way to verify the age of a caller over a phone line, prior to enacting the ban. They're doing it again with "social networks for under-16s" now and we "the it professionals" are all watching with great amusement.
 
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