Attitudes Toward DIR Divers

[Doc Harry]

Nothing wrong with the "DIR" philosophy. It should be the industry standard. "DIR-minded" divers are typically safer, more skilled, and more reliable divers than the typical divers who were trained by the big names like PADI.

The problem is most definitely the assholish attitude of GUE divers. They've earned their poor reputation. I've never had a PADI instructor who was as angry and sadistic as GUE instructors.

 

[crofrog]

Crappy instructor. Are you concluding that all non-GUE instructors are therefore crappy?
What IS your point?

Maybe read it in the context of what I responded to?

I can say for sure crappy QA, but none of you want to fix the legacy agencies. Just want to bitch about DIR and GUE.

Fix your house, be better, stop letting crappy teachers teach, or do and just wait for the next fatality and gross negligence.

 

[crofrog]

How can DIR divers brooch this kind of topic without eliciting such a provoked reaction from others?

The quicker you learn not to care, the happier you'll be. It isn't for everyone, it requires a commitment to excellence that most people don't want to engage in. The people who want to be part of it will find it, and those are the people we want in the community.

 

[Zach The Diver]

Maybe read it in the context of what I responded to?

I can say for sure crappy QA, but none of you want to fix the legacy agencies. Just want to bitch about DIR and GUE.

Fix your house, be better, stop letting crappy teachers teach, or do and just wait for the next fatality and gross negligence.

He’s doing everything he can to derail the conversation and make your point something that it’s not. Typical strawman approach.

 

[Zach The Diver]

The quicker you learn not to care, the happier you'll be. It isn't for everyone, it requires a commitment to excellence that most people don't want to engage in. The people who want to be part of it will find it, and those are the people we want in the community.

Yeah, you’re probably right. I hate to see such divisiveness over something like this, especially considering that at the end of the day we all enjoy diving and would love to see ways we can make it even better for everyone.

 

[Zach The Diver]

Nothing wrong with the "DIR" philosophy. It should be the industry standard. "DIR-minded" divers are typically safer, more skilled, and more reliable divers than the typical divers who were trained by the big names like PADI.

The problem is most definitely the assholish attitude of GUE divers. They've earned their poor reputation. I've never had a PADI instructor who was as angry and sadistic as GUE instructors.

See, that’s what’s unfortunate. I don’t agree with the whole GUE point at all but I get where you’re coming from- this has led to people assuming any positive mention of DIR means that you’re a snob.

 

[Zach The Diver]

I see it being recommended ad nauseum on Facebook, even though the performance requirements are not that much different than what is required in open water.

It’s an absolute waste of time and money in my opinion unless your OW instructor completely failed you and you have nobody else to dive with capable of mentoring you.

 

[Zach The Diver]

I’m aiming it at the group in general because I know they’re all reading it.
If it was me I’d skip any mention of DIR GUE HOG or any other title monikers that identify the source.
There are ways that could be done within the framework of the recreational world.
It’s a shame, but unfortunately too much damage has been done early on and through out the years to save the name or image of the whole DIR/GUE thing, at least on the internet. In person in the real world might be different, but most peoples’ first exposure to the concept will be online.
You can see for yourself that as soon as you posted this thread you got this sort of reaction, especially from people who were there and took it to heart. That sentiment will never go away until all the bad mojo goes away, and that could be a very long time. I know you’re new, but you have to study the history, and not all of the history is good.
It’s not going to get better with more talking and hashing out, it’s not going to change anything it will just continue the animosity.
Why did you post the thread in the first place?
Like another poster said, why are you picking this scab off?
The very sad part is so much of the animosity has very little to do with the actual diving style and protocols, it has more to do with the divers that were selling it and the attitudes that went along with that.
Happy diving.

Just makes little sense as to why there is a scab over this in the first place. Just wanted to see why things were like this with DIR, and it seems like it all boils down to water that should have well under the bridge by now.

Absolutely agree that the animosity has everything to do with the “labels” and the association with the divers actually selling this approach to diving.

Thanks for being reasonable.

 

[crofrog]

Just makes little sense as to why there is a scab over this in the first place. Just wanted to see why things were like this with DIR, and it seems like it all boils down to water that should have well under the bridge by now.

Absolutely agree that the animosity has everything to do with the “labels” and the association with the divers actually selling this approach to diving.

Thanks for being reasonable.

The real issue is what GI3 said back in the day wasn't wrong. They didn't like how he said it, and he called out dangerous diving practices that were (are) common. Things like primary donate, deep air, solo diving, labeling gas mixes, etc., real controversial stuff.

Most of it is taken for granted now, but there are still some ardent supporters of deep air, solo diving and not labeling your gases...

He’s doing everything he can to derail the conversation and make your point something that it’s not. Typical strawman approach.

Yeah, just stop caring, though. Just do your dives the way you want to do them, and if someone sees you in the water and ask what's up tell them. The long hose is a great idiot filter on the boat; if people unsolicited tell you why they don't like what you're doing, you know they're the *******.

 

[lostsheep]

It isn't for everyone, it requires a commitment to excellence that most people don't want to engage in.

Holy phawk.

You just don’t get it do you? It’s exactly this hubris that so many of us can’t stand.

You can not possibly believe that your preferred organization has some kind of monopoly on excellence?

I am shocked that GUE doesn’t do more to thwart this shite. The VERY REAL benefit of GUE / DIR training is undone by these attitudes that allegedly died 25 years ago.

Let me be 100% clear, I’m not anti dir/gue , I’m anti whatever the above was.

SMDH