AIR2 'legal' outside US ?

[halocline]

I know you're just joking around so this isn't really directed at you but at the general attitude I sometimes see on here. Why do people really care what other people dive with?

If I see a guy diving with no tank but a duffle bag full of spare airs then that's his concern, maybe he knows something I don't.

My comment was just one more dig at jacket BCs in general, which IMO are emblematic of the dumbing-down of dive gear by a dive industry bent on constantly offering gear designed to sell well to inexperienced divers, not actually work well. (flames already starting) If you or anyone else wants to dive with a life-preserver-with-tank-strap, it's fine with me, and I certainly have no problems buddying up with a jacket BC user.

If you see a guy diving with a duffle full of spare airs, he does know something....that life has humor!

 

[OldNSalty]

...seriously ??? !!! ......

Seriously.

so if some idiot/cheapskate dives crappy/unserviced gear resulting in an accident.....causing the very expensive liveaboard trip to a remote location to have to return to port, wrecking the vacations of a couple dozen fellow divers...and destroying a few hundred thousand $ worth of hard earned dive $... you don't see a problem ?

Apples and Oranges. We were talking about Air2

...I know a number of liveaboards that mandate certain safety gear be used, whether of not any particular diver 'agrees' with the policy or not.....

I fully support a private business being able to set their policies on how they want to do business and the right of the customer to elect to not do business with them. The problem here is that we are talking about Laws. You can’t opt out of a law without bad consequences. I am opposed to the idea that someone needs to pass a law to protect me from me. If the Air2 is unsafe then consumer protection laws and a 1000 years of established common law would see to it that these devices were off the market.

My comment was just one more dig at jacket BCs in general, which IMO are emblematic of the dumbing-down of dive gear by a dive industry bent on constantly offering gear designed to sell well to inexperienced divers, not actually work well. (flames already starting) If you or anyone else wants to dive with a life-preserver-with-tank-strap, it's fine with me, and I certainly have no problems buddying up with a jacket BC user.

I hear you and generally agree that the BP/W is the better set up and the Jacket the worse in most (if not all) circumstances. I also think that rear wheel drive is better than front wheel but I’ll still ride with you in your funny handling car.

 

[redacted]

Apples and Oranges. We were talking about Air2

We were until you introduced the idea of "a duffle bag full of spare airs." I don't have a problem with Air2s or any other reasonable configuration of working gear. But there is a point where I'll try to step in and affect a situation (gear, training, whatever) that could have an adverse impact on my diving.

 

[hbhobby]

so is the air2 actually illegal in Isreal or can you dive with it AND and octo? not that I care but I was curious if the law stated specifically no air2 or just mandatory octo?

 

[AfterDark]

QUOTE=WD8CDH;4796409]Is Isreal specific about the Air2 or any second stage/BC inflator combo? What about no power inflation at all?

You must have an octopus, not a combination second stage/inflater.

I could not imagine anyone not having a power inflater in Israel. All the equipment I have seen is modern standard/models - like you would see here. Beyond that, I could not answer your question - which is a curious one to me. I suppose you could blow up your old horsecollar my mouth, if you wanted. But you'd still need an octopus. Just a guess on my part, but I'm laughing as I write this.

By the way, I have never been bothered by the government scuba police (IDA), nor have any of my Israeli Instructor friends. But, there are random checks on shops - things like looking at the equipment, and making sure that your certification card is kept by the dive/air shop while you are diving. Truly - no card, no fill - but they will do a computer (ie PADI, etc) check for those who have misplace theirs.

P.S. No one will let an obviously pregnant woman dive either - my DrDaughter (MD) - who knew better anyway, snorkeled with Mommy while the rest of us went diving!!! Is this the scuba policing you were talking about?

DrDaddy[/QUOTE]

Sounds very boring and oppressive, glad I'll never dive there.

 

[FishOutUvH2O]

so is the air2 actually illegal in Isreal or can you dive with it AND and octo? not that I care but I was curious if the law stated specifically no air2 or just mandatory octo?

With the difficulty in finding information on Israeli diving regulations, you'd think it was a state secret. So, at this point, we have no solid answer.

 

[OldNSalty]

With the difficulty in finding information on Israeli diving regulations, you'd think it was a state secret. So, at this point, we have no solid answer.

I guess it would be a little inappropriate to do my SGT. Shultz imitation ‘I see nothing! I know nothing!’

 

[Peter_V]

FWIW I dove the GBR last year with an an Atomic SS1, got a few comments from the live aboard staff since they hadn't seen that particular model yet, but they were all positive.
I just got back from a week diving in Roatan (totally awesome, best diving I've done yet) and nobody even commented on it.
I dive in Mexico all the time with it, I'm pretty sure I've seen Air2s in the Dive shops down there.
I've dove in Japan with similar setups (my avatar photo was taken in Okinawa and you can see I'm using a Sherwood Shadow Octo) and they sold AIR2s, etc. there.

So there might be a few countries that have problems with it, but over all I'd say that in most countries it is acceptable.

 

[nwdiver2]

I ran into a rule (don't know if it was a law) in the Red Sea several times and had to attach my alt.

 

[RAWalker]

Just an interesting thought if it a rule instead of a law in Israel... Dive a Sherwood Sidekick or other similar reg just leave it disconnected from the power inflator. In that case it is a dedicated Octo on a short hose and you are diving without a power inflator. At least until the arguement is over and you connect it to the power inflator for your dive.
Or here is another arguement;
Your integrated octo is your primary second stage and the other second stage is your donor you are just diving on your donor to test it and make sure it is functional.