Clammy
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That's actually just the new PADI remedial Nav specialty! You just follow and collect them all on the way back!!
AIR2 'legal' outside US ?
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That's actually just the new PADI remedial Nav specialty! You just follow and collect them all on the way back!!
I hope you have better luck than I did. I tried searching the web. And when that failed, I called down to my neighbor in Mexico, who's an Israeli-American expatriate living in Cozumel (say that 3x's fast) and asked him. His answer, and I'm quoting him, was "we have a diving authority in Israel?" So, obviously he was of no help in this matter.
I'm laughing!!!
When my son had to take the Israel Dive Authority's Scuba Instructor's exam, he was told that there was no problem as there was an English Manual, which he studied. However, when it came time for the test, the only form available was in Hebrew! His PADI Course Director had to "interpret" the entire test for him. Go figure -
Anyway, "Stargost" asked, "The (European) magazine didn't specified which countries, and kind of hint that it is a global rule, which clearly is not the case in the US. I assumed it meant that if you go to a dive club/boat/or anything where you will have some kind of supervision, you will be ask to have an Octo to participate to the dive activity."
So maybe Stargost should contact this "European magazine" and ask them where in the world that they have heard it was Air2 was not allowed.
In the meantime, I too have contacted a couple of dive centers in Israel and asked them about this.
And just for fun
, I googled Israel Dive Authority and here are a couple of more "regulations" by the IDA. Illegal to dive without your certification card or without dive insurance (they have their own decompression chamber in Eilat/Red Sea), and you must present (unless you are a DM or Instructor) your dive log, stamped within the last 6 months, or you will have to take a "short refresher course." Diving in israel
OK - I do not want to hijack this. Let's see if any of us can find any "facts" about any country that has outlawed Air2(3 - or whatever combination inflator/octo).
WOW - I just got two replies from Israel!!!
The first is Tel Aviv Dive Center - Tel Aviv, Israel (Mediterranean Sea). The Second is from Dolphin Reef - Eilat, Israel (Red Sea). I am copying them with their responses first and my question last as this is how they appear on their email replies. I "disguised" my real name and private email address. In my email, I wrote "H'avarim", which means "Friends" and "Toda" which means "Thank you". I am not Jewish, but am Christian, but I do speak some Hebrew.
I do hope this clears up the question about "Air2s" in Israel. What about other countries?
DrDaddy
Here are the responses from Israel:
#1 - Tel Aviv Dive Center (Mediterranean Sea)
From: àå÷èåôåñ [mailto:telaviv@scuba.co.il]
Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 3:00 AM
To: 'myrealname'
Subject: RE: Israel Dive Authority
Hello "myrealname".
In Israel you indeed must dive with an "Octopus". That is separate from the Inflator hose.
Have a nice day
Liat
#2 - Dolphin Reef Dive Center (Red Sea)
From: Estelle [mailto:reservation@dolphinreef.co.il]
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 11:58 PM
To: 'realname'
Subject: RE: Israel Dive Authority
Hi "realname"
Yes, that is correct.
The Israeli diving laws are more conservative than most countries and you have to enter the water with an octopus as an alternate air source.
Regards
Estelle
#3 - DrDaddy's Original email question (Pacific Ocean, USA)
From: "myrealname" [mailto:"myprivate@myprivate.com"]
Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 4:52 AM
To: reservation@dolphinreef.co.il
Cc: "myrealname" - which is not "DrDaddy",what my children called me
Subject: Israel Dive Authority
Shalom H'avarim,
Could you please tell me the Israel Dive Authority's rule on using a combination inflater/octopus (Air2s or Air3s).
I was told that the IDA required you had to have a spare regulator (commonly called an "octopus") and a separate low pressure BCD inflator hose.
Thank you for your help on this matter.
Toda,
"myrealname"
The first is Tel Aviv Dive Center - Tel Aviv, Israel (Mediterranean Sea). The Second is from Dolphin Reef - Eilat, Israel (Red Sea). I am copying them with their responses first and my question last as this is how they appear on their email replies. I "disguised" my real name and private email address. In my email, I wrote "H'avarim", which means "Friends" and "Toda" which means "Thank you". I am not Jewish, but am Christian, but I do speak some Hebrew.
I do hope this clears up the question about "Air2s" in Israel. What about other countries?
DrDaddy
Here are the responses from Israel:
#1 - Tel Aviv Dive Center (Mediterranean Sea)
From: àå÷èåôåñ [mailto:telaviv@scuba.co.il]
Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 3:00 AM
To: 'myrealname'
Subject: RE: Israel Dive Authority
Hello "myrealname".
In Israel you indeed must dive with an "Octopus". That is separate from the Inflator hose.
Have a nice day
Liat
#2 - Dolphin Reef Dive Center (Red Sea)
From: Estelle [mailto:reservation@dolphinreef.co.il]
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 11:58 PM
To: 'realname'
Subject: RE: Israel Dive Authority
Hi "realname"
Yes, that is correct.
The Israeli diving laws are more conservative than most countries and you have to enter the water with an octopus as an alternate air source.
Regards
Estelle
#3 - DrDaddy's Original email question (Pacific Ocean, USA)
From: "myrealname" [mailto:"myprivate@myprivate.com"]
Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 4:52 AM
To: reservation@dolphinreef.co.il
Cc: "myrealname" - which is not "DrDaddy",what my children called me
Subject: Israel Dive Authority
Shalom H'avarim,
Could you please tell me the Israel Dive Authority's rule on using a combination inflater/octopus (Air2s or Air3s).
I was told that the IDA required you had to have a spare regulator (commonly called an "octopus") and a separate low pressure BCD inflator hose.
Thank you for your help on this matter.
Toda,
"myrealname"
FishOutUvH2O
Contributor
Good stuff drdaddy. But, I was kind of hoping that we could get the actual regulation. I'm not interested in it to try and argue with it. My interest is more just academic.
This isn't good enough???!!!
These two dive shops are from both "Seas" that border Israel. If you want anymore "academic" information, their addresses are included in my email copies, and you probably could ask them to have their Course Directors give you the actual regulation. But I'm sure it will be in Hebrew. And don't ask me to translate - I'm done.
P.S. I actually got three responses, but the third was from a very nice person who does not speak or write as good of English and therefore was garbled. Good luck with the Course Directors - Instructors.
Zung
Contributor
My wife and I always dive with an AIR2.
We've just returned (today!) from a week's diving at Dahab (Egypt); we have dived previously Marsa Alaam (Egypt), Port Soudan, The Channel Islands (US), La Paz (Mexico), Rangiroa (French Polynesia), the Lake of Geneva (Switzerland), France, without anybody ever raising this question. I even did all my CMAS certifications in France with an AIR2.
So, as far as I'm concerned, if one single country or a few dive shops don't want your hard earned cash, there're plenty others who will.
Btw, we never ever have any technical problem with our AIR2's either; they got serviced every other couple of years, and that's it. (yeah, that's every 3-4 years)
We've just returned (today!) from a week's diving at Dahab (Egypt); we have dived previously Marsa Alaam (Egypt), Port Soudan, The Channel Islands (US), La Paz (Mexico), Rangiroa (French Polynesia), the Lake of Geneva (Switzerland), France, without anybody ever raising this question. I even did all my CMAS certifications in France with an AIR2.
So, as far as I'm concerned, if one single country or a few dive shops don't want your hard earned cash, there're plenty others who will.
Btw, we never ever have any technical problem with our AIR2's either; they got serviced every other couple of years, and that's it. (yeah, that's every 3-4 years)
FishOutUvH2O
Contributor
My doctorate is in clinical psychology, so "feelings" and "self-report" are good enough for me.
I'm sorry- I'm just laughing out loud. Research and citations of sources are of course important in any field of academic research,
including psychology.
DrDaddy
FishOutUvH2O
Contributor
A psychologist!!! Ahh, crap! Should I take it as some kind of sign that I keep running into mental health professionals? It's only a problem if causes a problem, right?!?!My doctorate is in clinical psychology, so "feelings" and "self-report" are good enough for me.
I'm sorry- I'm just laughing out loud. Research and citations of sources are of course important in any field of academic research,
including psychology.
DrDaddy
A psychologist!!! Ahh, crap! Should I take it as some kind of sign that I keep running into mental health professionals? It's only a problem if causes a problem, right?!?!
Hmmm - How long have you been angry with your father?
OK, enough!!! We'll wait until there is more on this Air2 thing.
As of now: Sounds like it's only in Israel is it law, and possibly the preference of some dive operations. And tec divers and DIR don't do "Air2".
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