A drag issue : to bungee wings or not to bungee

[Tortuga68]

Is it possible to use such a wing? Sure, in this very thread we have a member claiming they use a 94 lbs wing a single al 80 and a 3mm suit

If you're referring to me, I said double AL80s. I would never use a doubles wing with a single tank or vice versa, and have said so in several of the newb threads you refer to

I don't see anyone here saying these wings are appropriate for every configuration or environment; in fact it has been acknowledged that they're not (overhead for example)

Nor is anyone trying to tell other people they should use a bungee wing, or that a bungee wing is better than the wing they are using in every way, or that they wouldn't dive with them because they don't wear a bungeed wing

OTOH I do see people doing the reverse

/shrug

 

[cool_hardware52]

If you're referring to me, I said double AL80s.

If so I missed it. Although it makes little difference. 2 x al 80's + 3mm suit can easily use ~ sub 40 lbs doubles wings. I have a "special" 25 lbs doubles wing I reserve for such applications.

I would never use a doubles wing with a single tank or vice versa, and have said so in several of the newb threads you refer to

Why would a doubles wing be a bad idea with a single tank, in your opinion?

Tobin

 

[Garth]

I noticed that with the single tank adapter it tending to roll you. I have hp 100s and 94lb wing. I can't argue with you because even with my stages I could easily get away with a 60lb and maybe with 50lb. So that is what I plan to get when I gather the money. Will it be bungee. I don't know yet. Need to dive the dual inflated diverite think is around a fifty or so.
Not because I don't agree with bungees. They don't do anything that you suggested could "hypothetically" happen. But enjoyed reading this.
They will trap if you don't bungee your wing forward like IMO the only way to do it.

 

[Garth]

Scratch that I have HP 120's. Fingers are to big for iPhone keyboard.

 

[lamont]

Many of the anti-bungee crowd have proven only one thing: that they don't like bungees.

Similarly, the pro-bungee crowd have yet to come up with a single problem that bungee wings solve.

Again, its like putting a Type-R sticker on your Ford Escort to make it go faster.

Some people apparently think that's cool.

 

[The Chairman]

Actually Lamont, this thread has debunked a lot of the myths surrounding bungeed wings. The critics are far more strident than the fans and more likely to resort to useless similes like stickers. It's like listening to the Religious Right trying to debunk evolution: "Only sinners wear bungeed wings! They will surely die for their transgressions!" We get that there is emotion behind the taunts, but it adds nothing to the discussion except for maybe a bit of mirth for "zinging" the other side.

 

[lamont]

Actually Lamont, this thread has debunked a lot of the myths surrounding bungeed wings.

Still hasn't debunked the fact that at best they're a solution to a non-problem.

The critics are far more strident than the fans

Stridency and emotional contention has no bearing on factual correctness. If I yelled and screamed at you to not jump off a building, gravity wouldn't care that i was "strident" and would still kill you.

and more likely to resort to useless similes like stickers.

Still waiting for an argument that is any less useless. I'll adopt it as soon as one is presented.

It's like listening to the Religious Right trying to debunk evolution: "Only sinners wear bungeed wings! They will surely die for their transgressions!"

No, I just think you look like a riceboy with a Type-R sticker on your car.

We get that there is emotion behind the taunts, but it adds nothing to the discussion except for maybe a bit of mirth for "zinging" the other side.

So provide a more useful rationale for using bungee wings. If you can't, then I'm just going to make fun of you for looking silly and not being able to think around a problem and point out that mindlessly *not* doing what GUE does is no better than mindlessly doing whatever GUE does.

 

[The Chairman]

Still hasn't debunked the fact that at best they're a solution to a non-problem.

I actually showed how I use bungees quite effectively for my side mount configuration. Are there any side mount solutions that DON'T use bungees?

Stridency and emotional contention has no bearing on factual correctness.

I fully agree. Your comments nicely demonstrate that strident comments are rarely correct.

Still waiting for an argument that is any less useless. I'll adopt it as soon as one is presented.

But your arguments are based on emotion: not fact. Bungees have their use and that's still true in spite of your myopia.

No, I just think you look like a riceboy with a Type-R sticker on your car.

Condescension: you resort to it when you have run out of facts and you have resorted to it often in this discussion.

So provide a more useful rationale for using bungee wings. If you can't, then I'm just going to make fun of you for looking silly and not being able to think around a problem and point out that mindlessly *not* doing what GUE does is no better than mindlessly doing whatever GUE does.

Lamont, I don't know about you, but my diving evolves with most every dive. I like it like that. I try something out: if I like it, I use it. It's why I mount my bladder upside down and route the corrugated hose across my neck. It's also why I use a bungee to keep my bladder from looking like a submerged taco when I sidemount. Maybe you don't see any benefit in keeping my wing tucked in, and that's OK. You can be sure that I won't mindlessly adopt your diving style even though I respect your skills and accomplishments.

 

[lamont]

I actually showed how I use bungees quite effectively for my side mount configuration. Are there any side mount solutions that DON'T use bungee?

I honestly don't SM, don't know anyone that SMs, I think I've seen one group of SMers down in MX on one trip and don't have an opinion on SM.

So, fine, replace everything I've said with the caveat that I'm talking about bungee wings applied to BM.

I fully agree. Your comments nicely demonstrate that strident comments are rarely correct.

No, that's a logical fallacy, and a great deal of the problem that we have with discourse in this country is that we're too fixated on how the message goes across and not the content of the message. So someone on Fox News who is defensive because they're answering questions is wrong because they're defensive and the content doesn't matter.

But your arguments are based on emotion: not fact. Bungees have their use and that's still true in spite of your myopia.

Still waiting for what use bungee wings are in BM.

And the fact that you have resort to the fact that your debate opponents are shrill or condescending and the tone that they're taking is really the last refuge when you've run out of arguments.

Condescension: you resort to it when you have run out of facts and you have resorted to it often in this discussion. Lamont, I don't know about you, but my diving evolves with most every dive. I like it like that. I try something out: if I like it, I use it. It's why I mount my bladder upside down and route the corrugated hose across my neck.

I don't view that as a virtue, and that has nothing to do with answering the question of what problem bungees solve in BM.

It's also why I use a bungee to keep my bladder from looking like a submerged taco when I sidemount. Maybe you don't see any benefit in keeping my wing tucked in, and that's OK. You can be sure that I won't mindlessly adopt your diving style even though I respect your skills and accomplishments.

I still don't know what the point is of bungee wings in BM, though.

We've established that I'm condescending, myopic and strident. Those aren't problems that bungee wings will solve for me, though. In fact those have nothing to do with the technical utility of bungee wings...

 

[The Chairman]

I honestly don't SM,

Confession is good for the soul.

So, fine, replace everything I've said with the caveat that I'm talking about bungee wings applied to BM.

Ah, when things aren't going your way, change the scope of the argument. A little late to add your caveat about why you're laughing at bungees.

No, that's a logical fallacy, and a great deal of the problem that we have with discourse in this country is that we're too fixated on how the message goes across and not the content of the message. So someone on Fox News who is defensive because they're answering questions is wrong because they're defensive and the content doesn't matter.

The logical fallacy is to say that stridency makes any statement false. However, my contention is that your lack of real facts is what makes you strident. Your argumentum ad derisus, as self edifying as it may be, is meant only to inflame.

Still waiting for what use bungee wings are in BM.

If you have to use a bungee for a Bowel Movement, you have bigger issues!

I still don't know what the point is of bungee wings in BM, though.

More confession, I suppose. I take it that you have never dove a bungeed wing. Yet you're such an expert on them. Of course you won't understand a lot about the stability mentioned several times if you have never experienced it. 'Nuff said.

We've established that I'm condescending, myopic and strident. Those aren't problems that bungee wings will solve for me, though.

As with any personal problem, confession is good for the soul. Good luck with your journey of discovering yourself.