Aluminum 80s versus larger steel tanks

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Again, different strokes for different folks. I have no interest in ever diving Devil's Throat.
Already not a fan of swim throughs, and due to medical issues don't plan on ever diving past 100 ft.

Like I said- I'm glad 120s exist so people like you can dive them. But not everyone needs them.
 
Well maybe not for you. But you aren't everybody are you. Some people get cold, some people get anxious.
I'm fine with an hour, really no problems, but I know I was getting antsy at Columbia Shallows when I was nearing 80 minutes. Just with the idea that I was still underwater. I'd certainly give it a try (you know, when that free air appears), but 120 minutes sounds way too long to me. I'd much rather do 3-4 shorter dives than 2 longer ones. But 2 dives are just fine with me.

I'm not sure I've ever made more than 30 minutes locally- the freezing and boring just gets to you.

I don't understand why you find it so hard to believe people have different preferences. I doubt anyone will turn away free air, but they also may not really need it. You like steel 120s, and it is great there is an op out there that provides that for you. Not everyone needs that.

That's why we took down our 7mm suits! Sure some laughed, but I was never cold. Those seals do trap that really warm water so there was some choreography required to flush things out...

Theanine might help with the anxiousness.
 
You don't have to adjust the cam bands to switch to a HP120. The diameter is the same as a AL80, but it is 2 inches taller and a hell of a lot heavier.

Ah, I guess I could have looked that up. Oh well.
 
This thread started, if I recall, with a poke at people that dive big tanks. A completely undeserved, uninformed poke, in my opinion, but that doesn't mean that more is always better or that bigger is always better, even if we're talking about air in a scuba tank. Saying that something isn't necessary isn't the same thing as saying "it's bad".

As Skittl has mentioned and as others have, there are reasons that people don't want to dive big tanks. Ron, more accurately, you *need* to make it a multilevel dive in order for the 120's to get more bottom time than the 80s. As you know, 60 feet for 60 minutes and everyone is done, no matter how big the tank on their back.

Case in point, I've been diving with Scubamex in Paamul on two occasions. I think I've done 9 tanks with them. Well, that's the profile. 60 feet, 60 minutes. The people diving over there dive 80s, and come up with gobs of air. One morning, there were 14 divers on the boat. 3 of us weren't dive instructors and just about every agency was represented. NAUI, PADI, SSI, YMCA, etc. If you told them steel 120s were better because they have more air, they'd laugh at you. Hard.

So would Ralph. Ralph started diving long before there were any agencies. I did a Blackbeard's Cruise many years ago, and Ralph, myself and a gal from England were all loners. The three of us were buddied up. Ralph did the first two dives with us. He was obviously very advanced. Third dive, he told the gal and I that he was only going to be doing short dives so when he leaves, don't worry about him. For the rest of the week, Ralph did 15 to 20 minute dives and probably got back on the boat with 2000lbs left in his tank. Or more. You could strap double 120's on him, but for what? The gal (Karen I think?) and I talked about Ralph and we both figured the only reason he did the first two dives with us was to make sure we were OK on our own. Sweet guy.


Big tank diving isn't better diving, and it certainly isn't worse diving. It's different diving, and though it took awhile to get there Mike, your last post is a great advertisement for big tank diving and I'd like to hear more besides just the one Throat example you used. (Like, how do you dive other sites, specifically. Cedral? Palancar?, etc.) I'd like to try it and as mentioned, I almost got to last trip. There are considerations, though. For me, neoprene, weighting, NDL, hydration, etc. Besides "seeing what's over the next hill", I'd also be interested to see what kind of a dive day that makes. Right now, I leave in the morning and come back at supper time, all day, almost every day. I love it. To be fair though, on the day/s we did two tanks only, having the afternoon "off" really made the trip stretch. I suspect that doing 2 really long tanks get's you back a little later in the afternoon? 2ish? 3ish?

As for me, and I suspect for others here, AL80s fit the bill, and if it isn't broke, don't fix it. That doesn't stop me from wanting to experience diving a/some big tanks, but there are considerations, for sure. The fact that there are operators on the island that use big tanks is another one of the things that makes Cozumel such a great place to dive.

-Blair
 
Skittl, if you dive a conservative computer like I do, you'd get no more than an hour or so no matter how big your tank. I've had a similar discussion with Mike before with regard to whether my dive time is "too" limited by my computer. Mike just likes really long dives--he wants a lot of air and a liberal computer. Some people seek that, and others don't.
I dive a Suunto. I also dive nitrox. I rarely go into deco unless I've been really deep.
 
As Skittl has mentioned and as others have, there are reasons that people don't want to dive big tanks. Ron, more accurately, you *need* to make it a multilevel dive in order for the 120's to get more bottom time than the 80s. As you know, 60 feet for 60 minutes and everyone is done, no matter how big the tank on their back.

Why?

If you are diving a square profile with Nitrox 32, the NDL according to the PADI Nitrox 32 table is 90 minutes.
 
On my last trip, I took an AL100 every dive after I found out they had some. I couldn't care less about what people thought about my doing so. I flew all the way to Indonesia to dive with my camera and make the most of my time there, not worry about what some blow-hard on a dive boat or the Internet thinks.

Perfect example: Around the 77min mark at Nudi Falls (a dive site in the Lembeh strait), we found a blue ring octopus. I was just above 500psi at 18-20fsw...using an AL80 I wouldn't have seen it. It was the only one we saw in 10 dive days.

I will use the steel 100 offered by the dive op in Socorro too.

I certainly don't need it, but if the dive op has them available? Hell yeah!
 
Lembeh is not Cozumel--it's a dream destination for serious photographers and naturalist types. In Lembeh you're darned right I would want to maximize my bottom time on every single dive. Dive, eat, sleep, repeat, as they say. But in Cozumel, I suspect that the majority of divers are fine with just cruising around and looking at the pretty fishes for a couple of dives, then going off in the evening to seek out margaritas. And I suspect that's why the majority of dive ops don't offer larger tanks. For the record, my wife the air hog has taken advantage of Blue XT Sea's option of aluminum 100s--large unwieldy tanks, but my wife managed fine. Nothing wrong with a larger tank if an individual has some reason for needing it.
 
I bring my camera to Coz too, so if the dive op has 100s I will definitely take it. I don't go to Coz, or anywhere else for that matter, to drink. I am more the 5-6 dives a day type...I could drink at home, but I don't do much of that either ;)
 

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