Moderators posting, ethics and site Terms of Service

[Drewski]

That's pretty scary, and then you're demeaning Jah Jah for calling him out on it? What's happened to ScubaBoard? This is the Advanced forum, not the Basic nor the New Diver.

Yeah, it is pretty scary, NO argument. "Demeaning," NO. Holding responsible, YES.

And yeah, I like CAPS when I'm . Deal with it.

YOU want to talk about "advanced" and "technical" diving and what's safe?

Did this guy make a mistake? Sure. Could he have used better judgement? Sure. Did he put himself and his wife at risk? Yep.

Did he admit all that in the first post? Yes, he did.

So, does bashing someone the way a few of you have really help him? Obviously not. I'm curious, what kind of instructor taught you guys that busting on people is the best way to improve them? What agency certified him or her? I'd sure like to find out because all the instructors I've ever met in "advanced" and "technical" diving have never done that. If they did, they wouldn't last as instructors very long.

Poor judgement and stupidity are far from the property of "new" and "basic" divers only. Shall I go down the list of the "no longer immortals?" It's a pretty damn LONG one, huh? No diver is immune from stupidity.

So do me a favor. BE NICE. If you want to be a moderator, be a MODERATOR.

Ya'll got a lot to learn about what's important in diving.

 

[techintime]

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A ScubaBoard Staff Message...

I have unapproved (not yet deleted) several posts from this thread because they are off-topic. They will be reviewed by the senior moderator staff.

Please keep on-topic. If you wish to discuss other matters, then open a new thread in the relevant forum. It only takes the click of a button. Off-topic debates and bickering ruin threads for everyone... especially me... as I am now in 'Mod Mode' and can't get involved in this interesting debate.

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Devon,
A thread started with a guy admitting a mistake and posting it for others to learn from. Learning...isn't that one of the primary reasons for this site? Along with some good (and even pointed) discussion, out came the normal pack of hyenas to belittle his training, his plan, his rating as an instructor, even his and his wife's right to dive. And now you leave the insults, but censor the comments of people who said "knock it off" to the hyenas? I think that the support for Sail Naked and exposure of the cyber sharks is very much a relevant part of this thread. The cyber sharks only spread their venom online because if they did it on a dive boat they'd get punched in the nose.

 

[Drewski]

I sure hope NetDoc's in Baltimore tomorrow, cause when I see him I'm going to ask to become a moderator. Seems that's the only way now to actually speak your mind, unless your "special."

I guess all that about defending Scuba Board and free speech from those that would do away with it only applies to the lawyers of dive operators not well liked, huh?

After all, we only preach that here, we don't practice it.

I'm sorry, I thought they were the "advanced" and "technical" forum.

Guess I expected better.

 

[Rick Murchison]

his plan,

what plan was that? If there was one, and it was followed, it needs to be criticized - if it doesn't warrant criticism, then the failure to follow the good plan is the lesson learned. Criticizing a bad plan is not "belittling" - it is at the heart of any responsible safety critique.

his rating as an instructor,

inappropriate

even his and his wife's right to dive...

inappropriate.
Rick

 

[Rick Murchison]

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...But DON'T - and I mean DON'T - come on as a Scuba Board "MODERATOR" with that kind of attitude...

For your edification, Scuba Board Mods are allowed to be regular posters and to make all the mistakes everybody else does, including having their posts edited or removed by the mod team if they post something that violates the TOS. When a Mod posts in a thread as a user they aren't coming on as a moderator - indeed, our policy is that once a Mod has posted in a thread as a user then for that thread he/she's a user, not a moderator. So while you may disagree with a mod-as-user's post, the fact that on other threads that person is in the Mod role really has nothing to do with that person's role as a user in this thread. For example, I won't moderate in this thread because I'm involved in the discussion, nor will any other mod that's participating. And no, we won't moderate you because you disagree with a mod.
If you disagree with the content of a post by all means argue your point(s)... but since a mod doesn't "come on as a Moderator" when posting as a user, well, that's not a point at all
If you feel a Mod has violated the TOS then by all means report the post, just as you would any other post. I can guarantee you that the mod's post will be looked at with even more critical scrutiny than a regular user's will be.
And now... back to our regular programming.
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Rick

 

[techintime]

probably not an issuewhat plan was that? If there was one, and it was followed, it needs to be criticized - if it doesn't warrant criticism, then the failure to follow the good plan is the lesson learned. Criticizing a bad plan is not "belittling" - it is at the heart of any responsible safety critique.inappropriateinappropriate.
Rick

Rick,
Does anything in that thread resemble the way we handle issues in the debrief after a mission when a wingman admitted to making a mistake? Would you have stood by while a wingman, or even a young IP took a similar beating over a self admitted mistake? Do you recall the proven "non-atribution" and "priviledge" that the flight safety program based its accident investigations on?...Learning to help accident prevention. The "gods-gift type" didn't last long in our world did they?

PS:12,373 posts since Oct 2010? that's like 3 or 4 posts per day, every day, 7 days a week, 365 days per year, every year. YGBSM.

 

[DevonDiver]

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[Drewski]

In all the time I've posted on Scuba Board, NEVER have I seen a more disgusting abuse of moderator authority to silence those with an alternative viewpoint that runs contrary to the narrow mindset of the like minded friends of a moderator.

You, gentleman, should be ashamed of yourselves. On top of that, you haven't even shown the decency to restore all of the posts I made in the other thread, even after you shuffled us down to this basement.

Obviously, there's little point of registering a complaint because I doubt anyone would listen.

The sad thing is that I see more freedom and mutual respect posting on diving blogs in Russia than here.

Please Rick, do us a favor. If your going to condone this type of behavior, pull your avatar picture of the A-7. That oath lasts a lifetime, not just when it's convenient.

Pathetic.

 

[diversteve]

PS:12,373 posts since Oct 2010?

Read it again. Uncle Ricky is one of the original members. Join Date: Oct 2000

 

[DevonDiver]

Please see, below, some relevant excerpts from the board ToS. ALL members click 'I agree' to these ToS when they join the site. Thereafter, they are obliged to abide by those ToS.

If a member subsequently amends their position to abiding by those ToS, there is no other option but to voluntarily cease membership.

In instances where a member does not abide by the ToS, they will be moderated accordingly by an impartial moderator (not involved with the debate in question).

The ToS apply equally to all members, including those who willingly volunteer their time to work as moderators for the benefit of this site and its members.

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Terms of Service Definition: Cyberbullying
ScubaBoard has long been known as one of the most friendly forums on the internet. Here you can find Scuba Divers from novice to expert sharing experiences and helpful hints. We like it like that, and you have our word that we want to keep it that way. Unfortunately, we have recently encountered a growing phenomenon amongst our membership that has marred our happy place. We call it cyber bullying and it comes in many forms. Here are a few ways that have come to light recently:

• Thread Hijacking: Derailing a thread with a lot of off topic banter. We have the Pub for that kind of activity.
• Stalking: Following a member from thread to thread to humiliate, embarrass or otherwise cajole a member in order to make them feel unwelcome.
• Dog Piling: Joining others in such a manner as to make a member feel threatened and unwelcome.

If you see any of these patterns don't try to intervene!

First, be sure to stay out of the fray.
Second, show some compassion and hit the

Bad Post button. Then we can step in and resolve the matter hopefully in a peaceful manner.