Computer + SPG? Or am I crazy?

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What happened to your Datamax?

Ha - funny you should ask! I got all the gear back from the LDS the other day and he handed me the Datamax back in a bag. Said that he tried several different batteries but it was no use, it's dead. Apparently it was made around 1994 so maybe it was past it's prime anyways.

Thanks for all the advice everyone - I was just running things around in my head and didn't want to spend the money on extra stuff if I didn't need to. :cool2:
 
It does basically boil down to what you are most comfortable with. Take, for example, I started diving with a "J" valve. I'm not so old that we didn't have depth gauges yet, but I did use both with the "J" operating as my trusty back up. I never once used the J-valve to inform me I was low air but it was there ready to be called on if needed. After the demise of my faithful valve came very easy to use bottom timers from Oceanic. So now I was using my depth gauge, a bottom timer but still kept and used my watch as a back up as well. But, I quickly got to the point that I never used my watch, only wearing it again as that trusty back up.

When I purchased my first "hockey puck" dive computer, computers were far from new. The Edge, Skinny Dipper and such had been around but out of my price range for a while. I had my computer in the same wrist boot my bottom timer had been in but still left my console with depth gauge in place. As expected, I found myself using that depth gauge less and less, eventually swapping the gauge to the wrist and the computer into the console. After while I got tired of using the wrist boot and would simple keep the depth gauge capsule in my bcd pocket. That trusted back up again.

Then came my time at Sherwood Scuba and the Wisdom. While my Wisdom has never failed me, I was the person in charge of dealing with all those that did have issues. I saw enough of them come across my work bench early on in that computer's existance that my trusty "hockey puck" was always in my bcd pocket, just in case. In time I came to realize that I could trust my air integrated dive computer and began leaving my old computer at home.

All in all, I found over 30+ years of my gear evolving that not once have I ever used my trusty "back-up" item, but for my own piece of mind I was always happy it was there.
 
Hey everyone!

I just completed my confined water dives and with any luck I'll be doing my OW dives within the next 2 weeks. Woohoo!

I know this is an equipment question but I thought I would try here first in case this is a really silly question. Anyways I have been looking around here and there at dive computers and I like how the air-integrated computers operate, like the ProPlus II. Seems convenient to have everything right there for you to see on one screen. Maybe I'm being over cautious, but I got to thinking that it might be a good idea to have a spare analog SPG + depth gauge hooked up also in case of o-ring & battery failure. Does anyone do this or am I just over thinking? Is it even possible with most 1st stage regs?

I advise purchasing a non-integrated computer with an analog gauge. There are many variations in set-ups

1. Hoseless Integrated Computer (Wrist) * + Eliminates a hose - prone to signal loss
I say use a hose computer. The problems with signal loss are a pain in the rear-end. Having one more hose is insignificant.

2. Integrated Computer (Console) * + Digital SPG on screen - Usually none, but if battery fails, you lose air supply information and dive is immediately over.

3. Computer w/ Analog SPG (Either console or wrist) + SPG Never Fails - None. In my opinion this is the best possible set up. My preference here is a single SPG (small like the Cressi Mini SPG) along with my favorite wrist computer (pick your favorite)

Final words - Hoseless (i.e. wireless) technology fails frequently above water due to signal loss - and the same happens below the surface as well. These are overpriced gimmick computers pushed by the industry because they are high dollar with high margins. Avoid them. Stick with proven consistency. The idea you're even thinking you need a back up SPG ought to tell you something.

Good Luck and welcome to the wonderful world of Diving!
 
I was an early adopter of the technology (~15 years ago), and gaps in gas-data transimission were frequent (more likely than not on a particular dive), especially when strobes were cycling. Contrast that with my Suunto D9 (3 or 4 years old with a few hundred dives on it) which I have never caught in a transmission failure, not even a fleeting one.

Have you done any scooter diving with your D9?

As a scooter dive guide, I have never had a wireless computer guest who had signal when the Apollo/Dacor AV-1's were running.
 
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Have you done any scooter diving with your D9?
No.

halemanō;5209770:
As a scooter dive guide, I have never had a wireless computer guest who had signal when the Apollo/Dacor AV-1's were running.
I have no trouble believing that. I think the AI computers that transmit the tank data--like my D9--are pretty cool gadgets, but there is no question that an old-fashioned analog SPG and a hockey-puck computer can do the same task more reliably, equally effectively, and a lot more cheaply.
 
I concur that the redundancy of a separate SPG is a good idea. I've had computers fail on extended deco dives but had redundant gear to use when switching to my internal computer.

Personally I would not dive with an air integrated computer... I've seen enough problems with them on other divers. Just my opinion though.
 
I concur that the redundancy of a separate SPG is a good idea. I've had computers fail on extended deco dives but had redundant gear to use when switching to my internal computer.

Personally I would not dive with an air integrated computer... I've seen enough problems with them on other divers. Just my opinion though.

It's my opinion as well.

For people who limit themselves to what we used to call "baby dives" (within recreational limits, no overheads, no decompression), air-integrated computers are probably ok except for being an occasional PITA. However, people who think that using one less hose is going to markedly improve their "streamlining" are kidding themselves.
 
On any dive below 30 feet I use a computer, SPG (console) and dive watch. Something's gotta work. 30 feet or less I don't bother with the computer.
 
What's the point of having a hoseless air integrated computer if you're going to keep the hose for SPG anyway?
So you can have your gas data conveniently displayed on your wrist alongside your depth and time data.
 

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