Suspended Course Director

[leapfrog]

I think this thread is through. That said, watching LeapFrog could be interesting

That is one heck of a compliment, ma'am, Skydiva! Actually I think this thread is over too....does any thing related to making a HALO into the water come to mind? How many Airborne Froggies are around here, anyway?

 

[leapfrog]

I think you mean the internet rumor mill? Here is someone touting the rule of law, and yet is peddling unsubstantiated rumors? And we live in a civilized country?

Lynch mob was formed on the basis of rumors, so are witch hunts.

OK, LET'S PUT IT THIS WAY. I met the guy who told me. He has expressly asked me not to post his name. Why? He doesn't want to pick a fight. He went there, did an IDC/IE and "passed" but was not certified because of the "issue", so he has had to do it all over agaiin at another IDC Center. Guess where? Right, a center where I earn my pay. How do I know he's not BSing us? He told me about it and did his IDC WITH THE IDC SI's whose tanks I carry, way before this thread ever started.

When the thread started and it became clear it was the same CD after Ben's post, I emailed the guy who told me about it at the beginning of the year. He confirmed.

Now, of course, you could choose to say that this a conspiracy to destroy the suspended CD in question. But you know what the guy told me? He considered that the CD in question "knew his stuff" but had allowed things to get out of hand, had overstretched himself to make more money but that taking the financials out of it, he wasn't angry. (However he was seriously angry about the money aspect) and that he thought the guy could be a great CD if he operated within the guidelines.

Good to see you now go with the rule of law. If you still consider this rumor, then I accept that. I am not going to betray this guy's confidence. Rather you call me a rumor monger (go back over my posts on all threads and then let me know). your call.

 

[Diver Dennis]

Part of any punitive measure against an individual by any judicial or regulatory authority involves full disclosure of the nature of the offence to the general public or to those who are also governed by such a regulatory authority so that others do not commit the same such offence in the future.

While this is true, that would involve the accused being able to confront his accusers which in turn would mean the names of people like your friend would also be made public.

 

[fisherdvm]

Good to see you now go with the rule of law. If you still consider this rumor, then I accept that. I am not going to betray this guy's confidence. Rather you call me a rumor monger (go back over my posts on all threads and then let me know). your call.

I still don't know what the h88l is the rule of law. Nor do I care to know what it means. To trial him by rumor is essentially approximating the religious extremism and dictatorship rules of other countries.

All I know is, in this country, the right to due process and the protection of the innocent is extremely important. And not being to face the accuser and have a fair day in court (in this case, simple arbitration) does not legitimize your "witness protection".

OJ is innocent until proven guilty. While you and I and 90% of American's believe that he is guilty - the system protected him at the expense of the victims.

I am not saying that the OP is not a victim, nor saying that you are peddling garbage. However, in this country (USA), he is still innocent. He resigned his PADI position, which in this country, essentially accepting the punishment without admission of guilt. Essentially a "no contest".

Rumor is a rumor. The internet has no standard for accuracy of information, so we are essentially no better than the tabloids. But it sure is fun to read them! And I don't give a heck for what the rule of law is.

 

[fisherdvm]

He, he, he,.... I lied. I do give a s**t about what "rule of law" is. Of course, I looked it up in the most reliable and accurate source of info available on the net - WIKIPEDIA. You can not question the accuracy of Wikipedia, he, he, he....

Rule of law

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The rule of law, in its most basic form, is the principle that no one is above the law. Thomas Paine stated in his pamphlet Common Sense (1776): "For as in absolute governments the king is law, so in free countries the law ought to be king; and there ought to be no other."

In England, the issuing of the Magna Carta was a prime example of the "rule of law." The Great Charter forced King John to submit to the law and succeeded in putting limits on feudal fees and duties.

Perhaps the most important application of the rule of law is the principle that governmental authority is legitimately exercised only in accordance with written, publicly disclosed laws adopted and enforced in accordance with established procedural steps that are referred to as due process. The principle is intended to be a safeguard against arbitrary governance, whether by a totalitarian leader or by mob rule. Thus, the rule of law is hostile both to dictatorship and to anarchy. Samuel Rutherford was one of the first modern authors to give the principle theoretical foundations, in Lex, Rex (1644), and later Montesquieu in The Spirit of the Laws (1748).

In continental Europe and legal thinking, the rule of law has frequently, but not always, been associated with a Rechtsstaat. According to modern Anglo-American thinking, hallmarks of adherence to the rule of law commonly include a clear separation of powers, legal certainty, the principle of legitimate expectation and equality of all before the law.

The concept is not without controversy, and it has been said that "the phrase 'the Rule of Law' has become meaningless thanks to ideological abuse and general over-use".[1]

 

[fisherdvm]

Without the key word, Due Process, your "rule of law" degenerates into mob rule.

Due process require that witnesses are identified, and the accused gets to face the accuser.

 

[Boxcar Overkill]

The rules of criminal procedure aren't authoritative on an internet message board.

 

[fisherdvm]

So what's wrong with spreading rumors? Nothing, as long as we don't pull out BS like this "Rules of Law".

 

[ReefHound]

OK, LET'S PUT IT THIS WAY. I met the guy who told me. He has expressly asked me not to post his name. Why? He doesn't want to pick a fight. He went there, did an IDC/IE and "passed" but was not certified because of the "issue", so he has had to do it all over agaiin at another IDC Center. Guess where? Right, a center where I earn my pay. How do I know he's not BSing us? He told me about it and did his IDC WITH THE IDC SI's whose tanks I carry, way before this thread ever started.

Well I am best friends with that guy and he told me he was just yanking your chain. He didn't mean for you to tell anyone and wanted to tell you the truth but said he would then have to kill you. In fact, he has been an instructor for 20 years, working for the agencies making big bucks as a "secret customer" to check up on CD's. We were diving from his yacht just last week when he told me that this CD was a true gentleman and a scholar.

 

[fisherdvm]

Well I am best friends with that guy and he told me he was just yanking your chain. He didn't mean for you to tell anyone and wanted to tell you the truth but said he would then have to kill you. In fact, he has been an instructor for 20 years, working for the agencies making big bucks as a "secret customer" to check up on CD's. We were diving from his yacht just last week when he told me that this CD was a true gentleman and a scholar.

Wait, isn't your best friend the metrosexual dude, who hangs out at the gay bar with my best friend?

Wow, how small this world is?