Suspended Course Director

[Melicertes]

Thanks for the updates Dennis.

 

[jagfish]

...Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this email is strictly forbidden...

Oh, no Dennis....you've left yourself open to a world of hurt......

 

[Diver Dennis]

Don't tell them I'm living in the south of France now Jim...

 

[Atlantis Diver]

cerification is valid unless the certifiying agency requests you return the card, it's happened once in my 30 yeas of experiece, the diver in question refused to return the card..........no laws cover this, it's simply documented and if that diver drowns, the recall was evidence and the outfitter can be help harmless

 

[boulderjohn]

Dealing with personnel issues like this is a bit tricky, and the rules for one side of the controversy are different from the rules for the other side.

When I was a school administrator, I had several occasions where I learned of unethical behavior on the part of a teacher that called for appropriate discipline. On those occasions the teachers were not happy and told all their friends what a jerk I was being, of course never admitting what they had actually done to deserve that discipline. They were able to do that because there are no rules against it.

I, on the other hand, was bound by secrecy rules that prevented me from countering those lies with the facts. In fact, if I had told everyone what I actually knew, I would have been punished myelf. Those rules are there for a variety of reasons. As much as I wanted to tell the rest of the factulty what those people had actually done to deserve their punishments, I recognized that having those rules in place is overall for the best.

It is for that reason that I would not expect PADI to reveal the details of a disciplinary act like this. No respectable agency would do so.

 

[Diver Dennis]

I agree John, which is why I never asked them for details, just whether a suspension was in effect and if so, why they still had his website link up on their site.

PADI, to their credit, was quick to answer both of my emails.

 

[leapfrog]

Part of any punitive measure against an individual by any judicial or regulatory authority involves full disclosure of the nature of the offence to the general public or to those who are also governed by such a regulatory authority so that others do not commit the same such offence in the future.

 

[Diver Dennis]

I agree that it might be a good idea to release the info leapfrog but they ain't going to air their dirty laundry in public. I wonder if they send out a newletter to instructors and dive ops with a section on suspensions and/or expulsions?

@ Melicertes: No worries, I was curious too...

 

[leapfrog]

"They" being "the Agency"? Why is it their dirty laundry? If they suspended him because he broke the rules they did the right thing? Or is this going to become John Grisham's first novel about "SCUBA law"?

 

[fisherdvm]

Part of any punitive measure against an individual by any judicial or regulatory authority involves full disclosure of the nature of the offence to the general public or to those who are also governed by such a regulatory authority so that others do not commit the same such offence in the future.

Having been a supervisor in both the military and in the civilian life, I have had to deal with at least 3 lawyers, a judge, and several hearings during discrimination lawsuits, and threats of lawsuits from individuals I supervised.

My belief is, an organization or a business entity must not and can not disclose to the public the disciplinary actions against an individual even if it is well documented. Even if a fired and underperforming employee used you as a reference for a new job, you still have to be very careful about what is disclosed. Essentially all you can say is that the individual was "laid off" for undisclosed reasons.

Full disclosure by what you mean is ideal in utopia. But on real earth, confidentiality is required to protect all individuals involved. On a public forum like this, you really need to give both PADI and Eric the benefit of the doubt.