PSI regulations pertaining to dip tube and vip

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JahJahWarrior

Glad you may attend the classes on visual inspections. You may also need a black light to look for hydrocarbons should you also want to certify tanks as 02 clean - for another low fee of $5.00

Nice to know your happy with your dive shop.

If you are serious about taking the class in Orlando - I suggest you get up on PSICylinders web page and book it now. That is a popular class, and the seats are going quick.

They don't offer the classes locally all the time -

PSI is also teaching a valve class - also a good idea if you move into 02 cleaning of tanks etc. Valves are as important as the tanks themselves

Cheers

-s

 

[oxyhacker]

Don't really want to get into this again so soon, but blacklight cannot reliably detect the contaminants most likely to be found in a scuba tank, synthetic compressor oil and silicone grease.

And an O2 cleaning tech should never certify a tank as being clean. Cleaned, yes, but not clean.

You may also need a black light to look for hydrocarbons should you also want to certify tanks as 02 clean
-s

 

[Ann Marie]

What does item # 7 mean? How is it used?

You purchase a cylinder at a garage sale, off ebay, from some unknown souce. This is the first example that comes to mind, but I'm sure there's others.

How should mit be used?

Not sure what this means, sorry.

awap, I love your tooth fairy secrets BTW!! If my son was still young enough to loose teeth I would love to have one of those for him. I can't think of any friends that have kids that age, but if I do I'll definately refer them!!

 

[Doubles]

Don't really want to get into this again so soon, but blacklight cannot reliably detect the contaminants most likely to be found in a scuba tank, synthetic compressor oil and silicone grease.

And an O2 cleaning tech should never certify a tank as being clean. Cleaned, yes, but not clean.

Thanks for the update

 

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You purchase a cylinder at a garage sale, off ebay, from some unknown souce. This is the first example that comes to mind, but I'm sure there's others.

Not sure what this means, sorry.

awap, I love your tooth fairy secrets BTW!! If my son was still young enough to loose teeth I would love to have one of those for him. I can't think of any friends that have kids that age, but if I do I'll definately refer them!!

I'm just afraid that "rule" could be interpreted by some shops as anything that doesn't have the shops VIP sticker on it is unknown history. If I go into a shop with a tank they have never seen before but with a valid hydro and current inspection sticker signed by the inspector and showing his/her inspector #, I expect to get a fill without them knowing where I aquired the tank or anything else about it's history other than what is displayed on the tank. I've gotten some funny looks but no refusals yet. It just seems to be a rule of very limited utility and open for abuse by an unscrupulous shops.


TFS is my daughters enterprise. I appreciate any referals.

 

[PhilEllis]

You may also need a black light to look for hydrocarbons should you also want to certify tanks as 02 clean - for another low fee of $5.00

Hijack........................

I am not a PSI inspector. Therefore, I don't know if PSI is advocating the use of a black light to detect hydrocarbons. If so, they are simply dead wrong. You CANNOT see the level of hydrocarbons that are likely to cause a serious problem in a scuba cylinder using a black light. The only method of detecting hydrocarbons would be the use of a much more expensive and time consuming process like a millipore weight test or possibly some other derivative testing procedure.

In the scuba industry, the ONLY way we have of producing a cylinder that is sufficient for oxygen service is to follow a PROCESS of cleaning that is designed to YIELD a clean cylinder. Just thought I would once again make this point. Thanks.

Phil Ellis

 

[PhilEllis]

I'm just afraid that "rule" could be interpreted by some shops as anything that doesn't have the shops VIP sticker on it is unknown history. If I go into a shop with a tank they have never seen before but with a valid hydro and current inspection sticker signed by the inspector and showing his/her inspector #, I expect to get a fill without them knowing where I aquired the tank or anything else about it's history other than what is displayed on the tank. I've gotten some funny looks but no refusals yet. It just seems to be a rule of very limited utility and open for abuse by an unscrupulous shops.


TFS is my daughters enterprise. I appreciate any referals.

Unfortunately, an unscrupulous shop can use ANTHING as another way to slice and dice a customer. Many very serious shop operators will not fill a cylinders inspected by another. After all, anyone can put a sticker on a cylinder and many can even supply a "certification" that they are qualified to do so. This doesn't mean a thing if the individual thinks the rules are "silly". Many shop owners have had so many tricks played on them by people that think every rule is designed to "fleece" them...to the point where those shops only trust their OWN inspections and their OWN ability. That is sad. We try not to operate that way at Dive Sports. Life is much simplier if your trust your fellow man. That being said, we have seen NUMEROUS attempts to bambozzzle us simply to save $10 bucks. It is sad. Remember, we are the guys that GIVE AWAY $10 to those that ask. We just don't like it picked from our pockets. lol.

Phil Ellis

 

[marchand]

BTW, Marchand is the guy with the steel HP 120 that DD can't fill.

Yes I am, and I was fairly unimpressed with the shop as a whole. Who the heck fills a tank in a "bomb proof box" especially steels that just got VIPed? To me it seems completely unnecessary.

 

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Unfortunately, an unscrupulous shop can use ANTHING as another way to slice and dice a customer. Many very serious shop operators will not fill a cylinders inspected by another. After all, anyone can put a sticker on a cylinder and many can even supply a "certification" that they are qualified to do so. This doesn't mean a thing if the individual thinks the rules are "silly". Many shop owners have had so many tricks played on them by people that think every rule is designed to "fleece" them...to the point where those shops only trust their OWN inspections and their OWN ability. That is sad. We try not to operate that way at Dive Sports. Life is much simplier if your trust your fellow man. That being said, we have seen NUMEROUS attempts to bambozzzle us simply to save $10 bucks. It is sad. Remember, we are the guys that GIVE AWAY $10 to those that ask. We just don't like it picked from our pockets. lol.

Phil Ellis

Frankly, having seen the incompetence of some shops, I would understand a shop that refuses to fill a tank they have not inspected if their policy is clear and consistant. That is the kind of policy that should be posted on the wall for all to see and understand. But they really don't want to give customers the impression that they are motivated by the extra $$ involved in an inspection or a rental.

 

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There are a lot of shops that won't partial pressure fill a Nitox tank if you have had it filled outside of their shop. I haven't found a shop that won't do an airfill if a tank had a current hdyro/vip except for Luxfer Al tanks made before 1988 (I think it's 1988).

You can't blame a shop for not wanting to risk putting 100% 02 in a tank that was filled elsewhere. Tanks do explode - not often, but it only has to happen once.