Yangtze River Dolphin extinct

[Wildcard]

"Have you ever actually seen a whale?"
Thousands, have you? Heck, Ive even eaten it. Think retread tire with rotten herring on it.

 

[Mr.X]

Guys and gals...it seems that most folks posting care about the plight of the whales and do not endorse harvesting "scientific" or not. Rather than bickering over the politics of anti-whaling initiatives put forth by Greenpeace/Sea Shepherds etc. I would recommend educating the public about the extinction of a gatekeeper animal in China and supporting movements which most closely match your current anti-whaling perspective.

WWF and the Humane Society are more mainstream anti-whaling advocates. Additionally, your suggestions for getting the word out would be most beneficial. From my early jabs at public education I can tell you that:

Most folks do not make a direct connection between consumerism and global warming.

understand the canary in a coal mine analogy related to the Yangtze Dolphin.

Ill informed about wildlife destruction/pollution in China, India, S. America, Africa etc.


X

 

[Wildcard]

The humane society is the second largest anti gun contributor second only to AARP. Talk about hidden agendas.
Again, look a little deeper.

 

[Wildcard]

http://www.nraila.org//Issues/Articles/Read.aspx?ID=156
OK, spun from the other side but the facts can be verified. Sorry folks. if you want to post your liberal feel good without knowing BS, maybe you should do a little research first cuz Im going to shoot you down every time without it. Mainstream?:kissbutt: (I love the new smilies!)
The problem with every one of these orginizations is there hidden adgendas. They use a fuzzy feel good cover to get funding then use it for something else entirely.

 

[Mr.X]

http://www.nraila.org//Issues/Articles/Read.aspx?ID=156
OK, spun from the other side but the facts can be verified. Sorry folks. if you want to post your liberal feel good without knowing BS, maybe you should do a little research first cuz Im going to shoot you down every time without it. Mainstream?:kissbutt: (I love the new smilies!)
The problem with every one of these orginizations is there hidden adgendas. They use a fuzzy feel good cover to get funding then use it for something else entirely.

Very interesting. Will have to delve further into any connections here.

That being case it is really up to the individual to promote education (as a force of one), without the chest pounding.

X

 

[H2Andy]

http://www.nraila.org//Issues/Articles/Read.aspx?ID=156

that article is so biased it's not funny.. first of all, it's called "Who's Bankrolling the Enemy"

hardly a non-partisan approach, wouldn't you agree? so, ok... now we know whose perspective we are getting. that's ok, so long as they can provide good facts to back up their arguments.

unfortantely, they can't.

the article goes on to make various factual mistatements. these are the two i liked the best:


1. HSUS is againts owning pets: FALSE.

from the article:

"Today, of course, HSUS is anti-hunting, anti-meat eating and is even against owning pets."

the last statement is just a lie:

check out the HSUS site on pets ("Pets for life") for such topics as renting for pet owners and evaluating pet stores:

http://www.hsus.org/pets/


2. HSUS is not involved in local shelters: FALSE

from the article:

"But though HSUS raises enough money to finance animal shelters in every state, it does not own or run a single one. HSUS feeds off this confusion."

first off, HSUS never claims to run shelters. it does, however, have a section about shelters and HSUS's Animal Shelter Consultation Program:

"The HSUS Animal Services Consultation (ASC) Program is answering these calls. At a shelter's request, we assemble an expert team to provide a customized, comprehensive evaluation, including everything from animal handling to client service. We review extensive background documentation from the agency, seek comments from the community about it, visit the site to see it first-hand, and then develop short- and long-term recommendations for improving the agency's operations and animal care."

http://www.hsus.org/pets/animal_shelters/the_hsus_asc_program_helping_shelters_help_communities.html


anyway... such distortions of the truth in order to make a point are just bad

that article is worthless

 

[gangrel441]

Guys and gals...it seems that most folks posting care about the plight of the whales and do not endorse harvesting "scientific" or not.

I don't disagree. However, the Japanese are functioning within the bounds of the law. They are permitted a catch but international treaty. For an organization to start off a statement referring to them as the "Japanese pirate whaling fleet" and to state that they are beginning their "ILLEGAL" harvest is not a little embellishment on the truth. It's not painting the story their way. IT IS AN OUTRIGHT LIE!

If they couldn't make it two paragraphs into their intro without lying to embolden their case, then how can I believe anything else they have to say about anything? Think about it.

So, Joe SUV out on the street who wouldn't mind trying to make a difference but doesn't know how. He reads this site and sees it for the propoganda it is. He gets disgusted with the web of lies being woven by the environmentalists. Then he has lunch with a good friend who happens to be a conservationist. Topic comes up. Conservationist attempts to give the real story, that pollution in a river somewhere in China killed off a rare freshwater dolphin, and that if we want to avoid more widespread problems, we have to make changes, one person at a time. Joe hears what his friend has to say, but has now lumped his friend in with Greenpeace, Sierra Club, and all the other whackos. His attitude becomes, "you're a good friend and all, but you're nuts. Lets keep politics out of our friendship." Congratulations! Another of the masses shut down becuase of the blatant misinformation.

<sigh>

 

[Mr.X]

I don't disagree. However, the Japanese are functioning within the bounds of the law. They are permitted a catch but international treaty. For an organization to start off a statement referring to them as the "Japanese pirate whaling fleet" and to state that they are beginning their "ILLEGAL" harvest is not a little embellishment on the truth. It's not painting the story their way. IT IS AN OUTRIGHT LIE!

If they couldn't make it two paragraphs into their intro without lying to embolden their case, then how can I believe anything else they have to say about anything? Think about it.

So, Joe SUV out on the street who wouldn't mind trying to make a difference but doesn't know how. He reads this site and sees it for the propoganda it is. He gets disgusted with the web of lies being woven by the environmentalists. Then he has lunch with a good friend who happens to be a conservationist. Topic comes up. Conservationist attempts to give the real story, that pollution in a river somewhere in China killed off a rare freshwater dolphin, and that if we want to avoid more widespread problems, we have to make changes, one person at a time. Joe hears what his friend has to say, but has now lumped his friend in with Greenpeace, Sierra Club, and all the other whackos. His attitude becomes, "you're a good friend and all, but you're nuts. Lets keep politics out of our friendship." Congratulations! Another of the masses shut down becuase of the blatant misinformation.

<sigh>

People are allowed to think as they wish. You either decide to do something, or you decide to do nothing. It's as simple as that. Doing nothing certainly accomplishes - nothing.

X

 

[havnmonkey]

Every side of every issue uses hyperbole to push their point. In fact High School English classes teach this as a technique to writing a better persuasive essay; everybody exaggerates everything.

Again the problem here is not laws and politically minded attacks. It is the fact that I must clear land, or drain wetlands, and pour cement everywhere to build a human community. There was NO exaggeration in that sentence; just a simple statement. No hidden agendas.

We will only have what we want to have. If the world wants more whales they'll stop killing them. If we don't want polluted waterways then we'll stop draining them into our rivers. If we don't want to eat meat we won't.

Knowledge is free; but you must have an idea of what you want to know. W/out Greenpeace screaming about whales many "landlocked" people might not know of the situation.

Just look at the variety of McDonalds commercials on TV, every single one of them suggests that is the only food you need, they suggest it is a place where you can bring the whole family and enjoy healthily. But many people know that's not true.

If some guy hadn't eaten it straight for a month, many people would not know that it isn't all it's cracked up to be.

We know what we are doing to the planet we share with everything else, it just doesn't seem to be to convenient to do anything about it.

Here's my exaggerated point: Everything that mankind has ever invented is bad for the planet.

 

[gangrel441]

Every side of every issue uses hyperbole to push their point. In fact High School English classes teach this as a technique to writing a better persuasive essay; everybody exaggerates everything.

Again the problem here is not laws and politically minded attacks. It is the fact that I must clear land, or drain wetlands, and pour cement everywhere to build a human community. There was NO exaggeration in that sentence; just a simple statement. No hidden agendas.

We will only have what we want to have. If the world wants more whales they'll stop killing them. If we don't want polluted waterways then we'll stop draining them into our rivers. If we don't want to eat meat we won't.

Knowledge is free; but you must have an idea of what you want to know. W/out Greenpeace screaming about whales many "landlocked" people might not know of the situation.

Just look at the variety of McDonalds commercials on TV, every single one of them suggests that is the only food you need, they suggest it is a place where you can bring the whole family and enjoy healthily. But many people know that's not true.

If some guy hadn't eaten it straight for a month, many people would not know that it isn't all it's cracked up to be.

We know what we are doing to the planet we share with everything else, it just doesn't seem to be to convenient to do anything about it.

Here's my exaggerated point: Everything that mankind has ever invented is bad for the planet.

hyperbole - n. a deliberate exaggeration or overstatement

lie - n. a statement that deviates from or perverts the truth

Not the same thing. Here's another definition for you...

illegal - adj. prohibited by law or by official or accepted rules

Now how exactly does something constitute an illegal act when the actors involved have an international treaty that permits said action? You tell me. Which of the first two words defined above does this set of circumstances fit?

I get a bit restless when the truth gets bent, but I can live with it. When it gets broken, however, I have no patience whatsoever. I don't think I am alone in that catagory.