Will Air Integration in dive computers replace the SPG?

[DevonDiver]

I guess until someone comes up with a better idea.

Let's vote on whether people think a Shearwater Petrel is innovative....

On my computer I can program 3 tanks..

How often have you used that function?

How often do the vast majority of AI owners ever use that function?

How often do recreational divers use 3 cylinders?

 

[DevonDiver]

Perhaps our computers one day will be able to actually detect if we're going to get bent. I think someone mentioned something to that effect earlier in the thread. Wouldn't it be great if no one ever got bent again? You can't get there doing the same thing.

In which case, there'd be an argument for putting fat monitors onto computers. Obesity being a known predisposing DCI factor... and that tech has been around for decades. The monitor would link to the computer's algorithm and increase conservatism depending on fat %.

I'd guess that'd cause a few dive-gadget cheerboys to have suddenly change of heart against innovation... LOL

But give them any expensive diving equivalent to a Segway that cuts the need to bend their elbow a few inches every once in a while, and hey... doesn't technology rock on? I mean...

 

[The Chairman]

I'd guess that'd cause a few dive-gadget cheerboys to have suddenly change of heart against innovation... LOL

But give them any expensive diving equivalent to a Segway that cuts the need to bend their elbow a few inches every once in a while, and hey... doesn't technology rock on? I mean...

Andy's FIGJAMming again. He's really good at it. If you want wireless AI, you have to be an obese idiot.

 

[The Chairman]

It's Basic Scuba: stay on topic. The topic is AI and not FIGJAM.

 

[gcarter]

It would be the difference in price from the cost of your SPG and hose, maybe even a compass if the computer had one. Perhaps you would be savvy enough to buy when the transmitter is free or just wait until the price comes down, as I'm sure it will as WAI becomes more and more popular.

You asked what was innovative about the design and then once you get an answer you bring up the cost. You didn't say anything about cost in your original post, simply what was innovative. We've mentioned a dozen times throughout this thread what we would like to see from the future of WAI. Reduced cost is one issue. But for a new diver going straight to WAI with a compass built into the computer the cost would be a wash; however, they would have the benefit of hoseless data and some of the other utility we've already mentioned.

The cost or inclusion of a compass is not relevant to the issue at hand.

 

[Centrals]

....You'll have to excuse me for a moment, I'm going to go remove my SPG from my rig. It makes no sense in having it on there. It's just an entanglement hazard that provides no advantage over my WAI, just a potential failure point. I'll be back.

Put another transmitter on and hope the O-ring and the battery will last!!!

 

[DevonDiver]

It's Basic Scuba: stay on topic. The topic is AI and not FIGJAM.

Have a Scuba related question? Get a Scuba related answer here. Please note: This forum has special rules. This forum is intended to be a very friendly, "flame free zone" where divers of any skill level may ask questions about basic scuba topics without fear of being accosted. Please show respect and courtesy at all times. Remember that the inquirer is looking for answers that they can understand.​

The topic concerns future trends in the diving industry.In particular, it deals with whether the emergence of wireless and SAC calculating dive computer tech will replace analogue gauges.
That's hardly a basic scuba question.

But what do I know... I don't run a scuba forum or else I might have realized 30 pages ago that this thread should have been moved to somewhere more appropriate for the expansive topic that has arisen...

Of course, it's easy to leave it where it is, and thus, hide behind the special forum rules when you haven't got a coherent retort for other people's opinions.... For here in this special place you can impress novice divers, who know no better, with presumed authority and display attitudes that'd be torn down in any other section of the board not protected by baby rules.

(Not that anyone needs to retort to someone's opinions or harass them endlessly for 30 pages for saying 'written in blood' as a simple literary metaphor to the development of diving safety principles via accident analysis).

People mentioned technical diving , a critical area in determining many diving technology trends - I did my best to help some understanding of the principles and mindset involved. The aim was to further understanding by explaining why AI hasn't been adopted by virtually the whole tech diving community (it isn't, you know); except a very small, token, number of marginal tech qualified divers. I quoted straight from the PADI manual, many times, to aid clarification and understanding.

Here's another PADI FIGJAM for you to aimlessly deny Pete:

PADI TECH DEEP DIVER MANUAL. Chapter 1, 'Technical Diving’s Risks and Responsibilities, Page 19.
In fact, you can sum up the difference between recreational and technical diving in this statement: In technical diving, even if you do everything right, there is still a higher inherent potential for an accident leading to permanent injury and death. You must accept this risk when you enter into technical diving and technical diver training.

 

[Zeagle Eagle]

Some wireless AIs can read multiple transmitters. I don't think this is what he had in mind, but they do exist.​

I have two that read multiple transmitters.Mine transmitter and my wifes.

 

[Centrals]

On my computer I can program 3 tanks. The gas mix for each tank, the volume of each tank and the rated pressure. So this gives some planning, but not as in depth as you tech guys would want. My computer will indicate on the screen when there is a better mix available for the depth and won't let me switch to an inappropriate mix.

So looking at the future of WAI and planning, perhaps there's a lot to build on.

Holy moly!!!
You need a computer to make the selection for you from the available 3 mixes!!!!!
BTW, when you change tank do you look at the label first or the transmitter of that particular tank will flash indicating that it is the correct one to use?
No wonder you prefer automatic shift!! Using both feet at the same time is too much for you.

 

[CuzzA]

If this thread proves one thing, it's that functional illiteracy is alive and well in the world.

I often joke with my colleagues that it's a mathematical certainty that half of the population has a below average intelligence. You see, someone in the world is right dead smack in the middle having average intelligence. That means you have a 50/50 shot of talking to someone with a below or above average intelligence.

Case and point, I mention the clutch has been wearing down my dad's knee and his next car will be automatic. Thankfully automatic transmission is an option.

Central's Response... "No wonder you prefer automatic shift!! Using both feet at the same time is too much for you."

I mention what my current computer is capable of and in the context of advancing planning I say, "looking at the future of WAI, perhaps there's a lot to build on."

Central's Response... "Holy moly! You need a computer to make the selection for you from the available 3 mixes."

DevonDiver mentions earlier in this thread or the Shearwater one, paraphrasing that, "actual gas consumption being used to help deco algorithm could be beneficial." However, when I mention something similar...

His response is, "fat monitors and Segways."

Evad presents the question, "What do you do if your computer fails?"

My response, "end the dive." Yet I'm accused of being defensive. ???

So there's a few things going on here or maybe a combination. Either people just hate WAI (Who knew? Lol) and will go to any lengths to attempt to shout as loud as they can that WAI sucks and no one should ever use it. Or they are functionally illiterate and cannot comprehend what they are reading and would unfortunately fall on the short side of the intelligence graph. Or finally, they can't stand a good thread/conversation (which has been noted a number of times throughout this thread) and must destroy it. Some people are no doubt all about sabotage.

What's great about forums is once you post, your response is written in stone. Before signing up on SB, I would read threads and could easily identify the idiot participating. So take note, when you make stupid arguments or try to attack someone's character it is in fact you who looks like the idiot to the reader.

Now, I don't know if WAI will replace the SPG in the future. I can certainly envision a future of diving where that could be the case. We had some good suggestions about what we would like to see from WAI. Does anyone else have any thoughts on the topic of the future of WAI?

If you want to tell the world WAI is stupid, knock yourself out. Go open your own thread, maybe use uppercase letters so the reader knows how much it means to you.