Why the Prejudice about DIR or GUE

[Soggy]

Bob: Total aside, do you think it makes much of a difference how deep?
I always test both my primary and my backup on the surface, with my head in the water (gives me a chance to check my mask seal as well). I've never had a problem with my regs, but I'd think that if they are in the water (even at 8") they'd breath wet if there was a problem...

I had a regulator with a diaphragm that wasn't seated properly and I didn't have any problem until about 15' or so, at which point it was almost unusable. I was able to fix the problem underwater, and it was just in a quarry so no biggy, but I'd say do your checks at 20' or so and you're pretty safe.

 

[TheRedHead]

The long hose is not specific to DIR. Every tech class I've taken required it. I think that it is not widely accepted in recreational diving because it requires equipment choices that may conflict with the standard equipment sold in a typical LDS. I don't see how you can use a long hose with a jacket BC. I'm sure someone has done it, but I can't see how it would work.

 

[Soggy]

The long hose is not specific to DIR. Every tech class I've taken required it. I think that it is not widely accepted in recreational diving because it requires equipment choices that may conflict with the standard equipment sold in a typical LDS. I don't see how you can use a long hose with a jacket BC. I'm sure someone has done it, but I can't see how it would work.

A 5'er would work, since it isn't tucked or hooked on a can light.

 

[lamont]

Lamont
Is that something that I will have to find someone to teach me on the side if I choose not to go through the class? I don't have a lot of money for new equipment or classes but I am interested in learning new skills. I am pretty ignorant when it comes to what is involved in DIR or the classes. The prejudice is that it is like joining a cult. Those are not my thoughts but the common misconception.

Yeah, you really need *someone* to bootstrap you. And you don't "need to become DIR" in order to dive a long hose, or to practice good buoyancy skills. There are a lot of people who even take DIRF who adopt a lot of the skills and config, but don't dive DIR afterwards. There are IANTD instructors and TDI instructors out there who would be fine (Steve Lewis / Doppler springs to mind). I dove one time with an IANTD-trained technical diver on recreational dive that you couldn't tell the difference between him and a DIRF graduate (in skills or equipment). If you want to dive the long hose, but don't want to take DIRF (or Cavern or find an IANTD/TDI instructor willing to teach you) then you should find a buddy who dives the long hose. Don't try to figure out how to do it just from reading on the net.

 

[jeckyll]

I had a regulator with a diaphragm that wasn't seated properly and I didn't have any problem until about 15' or so, at which point it was almost unusable. I was able to fix the problem underwater, and it was just in a quarry so no biggy, but I'd say do your checks at 20' or so and you're pretty safe.

Thanks Soggy. Time to change the check a bit. Appreciate the quick response.

Bjorn

 

[The Horn]

So this guy enters the church and finds a catholic, jew, anglican, hindu, united etc all praying to the same god, each one in thier own slightly different way. Since they were all just focused on thier own methods of prayer and not chastising or belittling each other they left the church feeling refreshed and renewed. hahahahahahahahahahahaha like that would happen.............the saga continues........ugh

 

[Bigcape]

I got it

I got it

I got it


After reading the last 250 posts I have come to the conclusion that it (Go to post #1 mine) Has nothing to with anything except..........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................THE 7 FOOT HOSE!!!! How to use it and why!!!!! and did I mention the 7 FOOT HOSE!!!!!

I am a firm beleiver now that if there wasn't a 7 FOOT HOSE, you guys would have nothig to debate..........UNBELIEVABLE!


Thank you,

Any body want a pair of scissors?

 

[lamont]

Bob: Total aside, do you think it makes much of a difference how deep?
I always test both my primary and my backup on the surface, with my head in the water (gives me a chance to check my mask seal as well). I've never had a problem with my regs, but I'd think that if they are in the water (even at 8") they'd breath wet if there was a problem...

I had a crushed exhaust valve one on my backup one time that breathed basically fine at the surface (later I found that on a really strong inhale I could notice the difference between it and my primary) but breathed wetter and wetter as I went down...

 

[Rainer]

The long hose is not specific to DIR. Every tech class I've taken required it. I think that it is not widely accepted in recreational diving because it requires equipment choices that may conflict with the standard equipment sold in a typical LDS. I don't see how you can use a long hose with a jacket BC. I'm sure someone has done it, but I can't see how it would work.

"I think that it is not widely accepted in recreational diving because it requires equipment choices that may conflict with the standard equipment sold in a typical LDS. I don't see how you can use a long hose with a jacket BC. I'm sure someone has done it, but I can't see how it would work."

I currently dive a Zeagle Ranger (will be going to BP/W very soon). Because of this very point (i.e. the long hose is only tried and true with BP/W) I currently dive my primary on a 40" hose with bungeed backup. I completely accept the "donate the primary reg" arg (w/ bungeed backup), but became convinced this did not mean I should change to a long(er) hose with my current BC. Once I go to the backplate and wing, I will likely go to the long hose, for many of the reasons discussed in this thread.

 

[H2Andy]

I am a firm beleiver now that if there wasn't a 7 FOOT HOSE, you guys would have nothig to debate..........UNBELIEVABLE!

oh, goodness no...

rookie