Why NOT DIR?

[JeffG]

Jeff, do you care?

Yes, deeply.

I will get no sleep tonight, oh woe is me......................NOT!

 

[Rainer]

Yes, deeply.

I will get no sleep tonight, oh woe is me......................NOT!

But Jeff, what is it about your DIR training that is causing you not to care?

 

[Rockhound76]

May I retract my "lack of flames comment?" This turn in the thread is what seems to happen whenever divers try to discuss this issue with cold typeface instead of face-to-face.

I'll admit to being ignorant of what "makes" a diver DIR, as I've never had the training. My first-hand experience in meeting DIR divers (or, excuse me, those who CLAIM to be), was for them to berate me both for my gear going in the water and for my "solo status" coming out. I didn't know them and rather resented the loud "pointing out" of my poor diving practices.

I've been diving for more than 30 years. While I'll concide that ANYONE can stand to learn a better technique, I am sometimes (always, actually) resentful of "in your face" lectures from 1) People I don't know 2) People who lack social skills 3)Neophyte divers with less experience than my 14yr. old.

Note: This is not directed at any one person...just a general statement.

Btw, they were students of some sort and I only considered them "DIR" because they all seemed to be setup up that way and i kept hearing "DIR" over and over.

 

[JeffG]

But Jeff, what is it about your DIR training that is causing you not to care?

It was the two weekends with AG.

We had a workshop called DIR-f where we spent time on how to argue on the internet.

We had the bakers dozen of GI3 zingers which we could always use in a pinch.

"Take the cotton out of your ear and put it in your mouth" was always a good one.

It was a real eye opener. DIR-f took my internet arguing to new and exciting levels.

 

[fweber]

DIR is a set of policies and procedures that are applied to a dive. If you violate any of them. You are not DIR. Thats it. End of story.

And with that,......we can exclude even the father of DIR. I believe the cave was in the Bahamas and un-navigable by back mount, at which point he was quoted something to the effect of, "well.....if you have to sidemount. There is a Right Way."

And virtually all the "DIR" divers on SB. I can't imagine there are many who have never dived outsided of Policies and procedures.

 

[Thalassamania]

I don't believe in Polices and Procedures except as they aid in conducting training. It's much like I used to argue with some of the more rule-crazed DSOs, "I've never seen a rule or regulation that contributed one whit to lowering the risks encountered by a properly trained diver."

 

[JeffG]

And with that,......we can exclude even the father of DIR. I believe the cave was in the Bahamas and un-navigable by back mount, at which point he was quoted something to the effect of, "well.....if you have to sidemount. There is a Right Way."

and he was wearing a stab jacket to boot.

And virtually all the "DIR" divers on SB. I can't imagine there are many who have never dived outsided of Policies and procedures.

Yep. I have said before that there is no such thing as a "DIR diver" only DIR dives, but on the internet, its easy to push things to extreme and argue about minute little details which in the big scheme of things...nobody really cares.


But it does pass the time at work.

 

[JeffG]

I don't believe in Polices and Procedures except as they aid in conducting training. It's much like I used to argue with some of the more rule-crazed DSOs, "I've never seen a rule or regulation that contributed one whit to lowering the risks encountered by a properly trained diver."

Policy
- Don't be a big fat slob
- Don't dive deep air

Procedure
- Plan Dive. Who leads? who calls deco?
- Identify Deco bottle before using


Yea...These things never lower the risk.

 

[RiverRat]

But it does pass the time at work.

You mean someone actualy hired you?

 

[JeffG]

You mean someone actualy hired you?

High priced software developer.

Pays for all the toys.