Why NOT DIR?

[limeyx]

I think you have an interesting idea of what DIR is.

Really? how so?
If you really do think that then I guess the meaning of my posts must not be clear (which is my fault for not expressing myself more clearly)

 

[JeffG]

Really? how so?
If you really do think that then I guess the meaning of my posts must not be clear (which is my fault for not expressing myself more clearly)

Maybe. The internet is not always the best means in which to exchange information.

(See my post above)

 

[markfm]

JeffG -- You cheat After all, you've got a huge amount of experience (for someone with 25 - 49 dives ), have taken multiple classes, yet appreciate the idea that "good enough" may indeed be just that (OK, but equally OK to take a different approach.)

The misinformation unfortunately looks to work on both sides (unfortunate that there are sides, as learning should be in everyone's interest). The idea that "95%" of the non-DIR divers aren't able to keep their backups from dragging in the mud is precisely the kind of BS that gives DIR a bad name -- an example of someone with either blazingly little dive experience, really terrible luck in terms of people they've been around, or highly selective memory (then again, I've been known to have CRS ). It's a bunker mentality, a turn-off, sufficiently out of touch to make people scratch their heads in wonderment.

 

[limeyx]

A GUE education (or an AG NAUI education) is just that. Dive education. It doesn't make you DIR. It gives you a skill set in which to pull off a dive. The specific skill set that they teach is a DIR one, but it doesn't mean that what you actually do in the real world is DIR.

DIR is a set of policies and procedures that are applied to a dive. If you violate any of them. You are not DIR. Thats it. End of story.

Um, you are side-stepping what I was saying.

My point is this.

A person who you have dove with in the past (maybe infrequently) shows up for a dive.
They have "DIR-Compliant" gear, they have "DIR" C-cards.

They have spent the time between your last dive 6 months ago and today doing 1/2 their diving solo (at night so no one can see them) and the other half diving in a team.

you get in the water, do a valve/S-drill.

Even though they are "Not DIR" (hopefully by anyone's definition), how can you tell?
Probably you cannot until the crap happens and their reaction is that of a solo-diver rather than a team diver.

I have *seen* a "DIR" diver on a boat trip spend the whole time lecturing the charter owner about how good DIR and team diving is supposed to be, then jump in the water for a solo scooter dive, yet ask them today, and they would probably consider themselves DIR...

 

[limeyx]

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That said, it should go without saying, if you don't know what you're talking about, don't state it with such authority. I think that was my meta-point.

Not to belabor the point (even though I am)

Maybe the original poster should have said "A guy/girl claiming to be DIR ...etc" -- a minor thing.

if you were having that discussion face to face, what do you think the chances are of you responding in the way you wrote?

or do you think it might be more likely (and polite?) to say "Oh, you mean the guy was claiming to be DIR but wasn't because he was diving solo"

I think because the internet (and written communication in general) lacks the back-and forth of a normal conversation, we sometimes say things we'd never dream of saying face to face, and like it or not, that can rub people the wrong way.

 

[JeffG]

Um, you are side-stepping what I was saying.

I have the right to ignore and reply however I like....as I see fit.


Ok...I see what you are saying here.


Maybe, a new thread should be started. "How to identify a DIR diver?"

I know it would be tough. You actually have to know something about it to make a call.

 

[Rainer]

how can you tell?

In the case cited, you could tell by (1) knowing what DIR means, and (2) applying that knowledge to someone solo-diving. That's it. End of knowledge needed. He didn't have to ask to see a GUE card, he didn't need to look at the guy's gear. He just had to know what the term meant, and apply it to what the guy was saying. The incongruence was enough. Knowing DIR does not equal solo diving (was worried you were missing this for a few posts there), is not an unreasonable bit of knowledge to expect someone to have before criticizing the approach. Almost everyone I've met who has something negative to say about "DIR" divers hasn't actually met any actual DIR divers. I don't think that needs defending.

 

[JeffG]

JeffG -- You cheat After all, you've got a huge amount of experience (for someone with 25 - 49 dives ), have taken multiple classes, yet appreciate the idea that "good enough" may indeed be just that (OK, but equally OK to take a different approach.)

It used to be funnier when I had "Not Certified" in my profile and I had about why I was on SB "I was on rec.paintball and someone cross posted from rec.scuba about Scubaboard and I always thought scuba was cool."

 

[Rainer]

I think because the internet (and written communication in general) lacks the back-and forth of a normal conversation, we sometimes say things we'd never dream of saying face to face, and like it or not, that can rub people the wrong way.

Agree (duh). That said, I didn't post for the sake of trying to "teach". I posted to point out why his post was wrong. I'll leave the ambassadorship to others. Jeff probably wouldn't be so good either.

 

[JeffG]

Agree (duh). That said, I didn't post for the sake of trying to "teach". I posted to point out why his post was wrong. I'll leave the ambassadorship to others. Jeff probably wouldn't be so good either.

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