Why NOT DIR?

[limeyx]

Re-read what I posted. It's not an issue whether uspap should know better. But you can't post that DIR divers are rude because they do X, when you haven't actually witnessed such. If you want to comment on DIR divers, you have to actually know what the term means.

That is definitely not the way it reads.
The way it reads is "Duh! The guy claiming to be DIR obviously isn't as he dives solo, so the rest of your comments are worthless"

Which while accurate, is not really helping anything since you now seem to have driven away a quite reasonable person from this discussion.

And it is quite possible for a "DIR" diver to dive solo and still technically be "DIR" because no one is going to instantly take their card away and they may have DIR training.

I think it's posts like your previous ones that turn people off. Maybe you didn't intend it the way it came out, but sometimes the method of delivery *is* as important as the message.

 

[SparticleBrane]

I seem to remember someone posting something about this.
Oh yes...

I have found that most people who don't like DIR, don't know jack squat about it (or what they "know" about DIR is totally false).

 

[limeyx]

I was just commenting on the fact that a big chunk ot the thread is dedicated to showing that a lot of anti-DIR actually has nothing to do with DIR. (Most of it due to misinformation)

and then...it appears like magic. Another Anti-DIR post, attributing something to DIR, and to someone who isn't even remotely DIR.

I see the humor in this.

Sure, there is humor in it, but now we seem to have driven away a perfectly reasonable person who was essentially saying what he saw, and if a DIR-trained diver *does* dive solo, I think it does have some impact as to why or why not DIR.

After all, if the "DIR" guys are all trained not to dive solo, then get right on the boat and immediately start solo-diving, doesn't that say something about "DIR" on its own?

 

[JeffG]

And it is quite possible for a "DIR" diver to dive solo and still technically be "DIR" because no one is going to instantly take their card away and they may have DIR training.

Sure, there is humor in it, but now we seem to have driven away a perfectly reasonable person who was essentially saying what he saw, and if a DIR-trained diver *does* dive solo, I think it does have some impact as to why or why not DIR.

After all, if the "DIR" guys are all trained not to dive solo, then get right on the boat and immediately start solo-diving, doesn't that say something about "DIR" on its own?

I think you have an interesting idea of what DIR is.

 

[Rainer]

That is definitely not the way it reads.
The way it reads is "Duh! The guy claiming to be DIR obviously isn't as he dives solo, so the rest of your comments are worthless"

Which while accurate, is not really helping anything since you now seem to have driven away a quite reasonable person from this discussion.

And it is quite possible for a "DIR" diver to dive solo and still technically be "DIR" because no one is going to instantly take their card away and they may have DIR training.

I think it's posts like your previous ones that turn people off. Maybe you didn't intend it the way it came out, but sometimes the method of delivery *is* as important as the message.

Having a card isn't what makes you "DIR" either...
Sorry, there's no DIR solo diving.

Regardless, intention was not to drive anyone away. That said, it should go without saying, if you don't know what you're talking about, don't state it with such authority. I think that was my meta-point.

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

Put away the popcorn, Jeff ... you'll just get fat ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[limeyx]

What I mean is, how can you tell after the fact? Say that person goes and does a "DIR" cave dive with his GUE buddies. If they knew he/she had been out solo-diving, they may well choose to abort the dive before they start.

If the buddies do not have that knowledge, how can they suddenly tell that the DIR diver is suddenly not DIR? Realistically the ways are

- How the gear is configured (not reliable)
- How the diver is underwater (may be too late by that point)
- What cards they are carrying (sad but true).

I posit that it is possible for a DIR diver to solo dive and not have their C-card spontaneously combust, therefore to all intents and purposes (i.e. their unsuspecting buddies), they are "DIR" even though I would really say not.

 

[JeffG]

Put away the popcorn, Jeff ... you'll just get fat ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

[offtopic]
I have been eating a lot of popcorn lately. Done with a hot air popper, topped with lots of butter and salt. A heart attack waiting to happen. But tastes great.
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[limeyx]

Having a card isn't what makes you "DIR" either...
Sorry, there's no DIR solo diving.

Regardless, intention was not to drive anyone away. That said, it should go without saying, if you don't know what you're talking about, don't state it with such authority. I think that was my meta-point.

Intention may not have been to drive the person away, but that does seem to be the result, no? The "DIR" people always seem to act so surprised when people say they are put off by egos/attitudes, and yet we often seem to be the culprits.

I think it's entirely reasonable for a person to say "A DIR diver came on the boat then went solo-diving"

and to get a reasonable response like "Oh, then that diver really wasn't DIR and here's why ..."

I never claimed there was any solo-diving in DIR and I dont think the other guy really did either.

And I may hold you to the last part of your post in the future

 

[JeffG]

What I mean is, how can you tell after the fact? Say that person goes and does a "DIR" cave dive with his GUE buddies. If they knew he/she had been out solo-diving, they may well choose to abort the dive before they start.

If the buddies do not have that knowledge, how can they suddenly tell that the DIR diver is suddenly not DIR? Realistically the ways are

- How the gear is configured (not reliable)
- How the diver is underwater (may be too late by that point)
- What cards they are carrying (sad but true).

I posit that it is possible for a DIR diver to solo dive and not have their C-card spontaneously combust, therefore to all intents and purposes (i.e. their unsuspecting buddies), they are "DIR" even though I would really say not.

A GUE education (or an AG NAUI education) is just that. Dive education. It doesn't make you DIR. It gives you a skill set in which to pull off a dive. The specific skill set that they teach is a DIR one, but it doesn't mean that what you actually do in the real world is DIR.

DIR is a set of policies and procedures that are applied to a dive. If you violate any of them. You are not DIR. Thats it. End of story.