Why NOT DIR?

[Kim]

....most (Doing It Right) divers that come out on the same boat believe we CCR diver to be spawn of the DEVIL :devil_3:

Good Lord!!!!! You MUST be!!!! Your 2nd stage cap is RED....and the Devil is obviously above you pulling your danglies!!!!! :11:
And what's at the bottom??? A microphone????

OK......you're Britney Spears in disguise right?

Right?????

 

[Kingpatzer]

I'm all for safety, awareness, comprehension, skill, fun, camaraderie.....

I'm all for those things as well. But, DIR divers aren't the only safe divers, they aren't the only aware divers, they aren't the only divers who comprehend what they're doing , they aren't the only skilled divers, they aren't the only one's having fun, and they aren't the only folks enjoying camaraderie.

So, what does GUE offer me that I should pay 3 or 4 times as much per training hour to go hang with them instead of any other diving organization?

Is there any evidence that a DIR trained diver with the same number of hours under water and the same number of training hours as any other diver is inherently safer or has more fun or more skill?

If not, then the only reason to choose to go DIR over some other organization would be one of a select few: the desire to have a GUE card because that opens some doors that otherwise remain closed, or the desire to hang out with DIR people.

And since so far my experience with DIR people has been less than stellar, that pretty much leaves that GUE can offer me something no one else can?

So, what is it? Why should a non-technical, non-wreck penetrating recreational diver give money to GUE?

 

[Kim]

So, what is it? Why should a non-technical, non-wreck penetrating recreational diver give money to GUE?

No idea. I should imagine though that those who DO pay for the training think they're getting something out of it.
Impossible call for me to make (and you by the way) as I never did it.

Who spends money unless they think they're going to get something out of it? No one is forcing anyone to do anything.

Now....if the Scuba Police suddenly told me I couldn't dive without GUE training we'd have a problem.

That didn't happen yet!

 

[Thalassamania]

So, what is it? Why should a non-technical, non-wreck penetrating recreational diver give money to GUE?

Because it is, despite everything else, one of the few organizations accessible to the general public that you can absolutely count on for competent diving instruction.

 

[Kim]

Is there any evidence that a DIR trained diver with the same number of hours under water and the same number of training hours as any other diver is inherently safer or has more fun or more skill?

Probably. Others can answer this more specifically, although they'd probably be discounted and painted as liars just as you were earlier in the thread.

Are we having fun yet?

 

[TSandM]

So, what is it? Why should a non-technical, non-wreck penetrating recreational diver give money to GUE?

You know, it's my personal opinion that this is precisely the diver for whom GUE has something more valuable to offer than the organization probably offers to their technical students.

As I have said before, and will continue to say, Fundies is the only class I know of where you can go, anywhere in the world, and KNOW you will get good, clear instruction about dive and gas planning and decompression for recreational divers. You'll work on buoyancy and trim to a high standard, do emergency skills in midwater, learn to shoot a bag, and get buddy awareness pounded into you. You can count on getting all of those things in any Fundies class. I don't know where else you can send a purely recreational diver and be SURE you will get them and that they will be taught well.

We definitely have non-GUE instructors on this board who will teach you all of those things, and to a good standard. They're scattered here and there, and if a student is within reach of one of them, he probably has no need at all to take a GUE class. We're lucky in Seattle, because we have several non-GUE instructors who teach like this, but we also have an awful lot who don't. When my husband, who is almost through the PADI divemaster course, comes home and shakes his head about how little he is expected to know and do in the class (and he loathes GUE, btw) it makes me even MORE grateful for having had the good luck to get sent somewhere where I was expected to learn more and do more.

If one of the other agencies put together a class that taught the things Fundies teaches, to the standard Fundies does, and didn't require the equipment standardization that GUE does, I'd be trumpeting the virtues of that class. But it doesn't exist.

 

[John_B]

Ask an honest question, get insulted! Great marketing campaign guys, really!

No, it really is about interpersonal communication here. Read the line in my signature, you'll recognize it since you typed it.

When you are an *** to other people, don't expect any group hugs.

If you had a clue you'd know DIR is actually about people who want to be able to hold themselves to a higher proficiency. If that makes you insecure or otherwise uncomfortable enough to make up stories about how some GI3 clone kicked sand in your face, have at it.

John

 

[Hank49]

If you are the only diver there and its such a remote island, why would I expect to even have air available for me? And if there is air available, why would one assume there would be no other divers?

I ask this because this would be a good time to decide to "why not DIR".
As to the hypotheticals, here in Belize for instance, there are workers at the atholl resorts who stay year round and have no divers around. I myself live in a very remote area and as a result have my own compressor and tanks because it takes 4 hours of my time to rent tanks and in most cases, I won't be able to find one dive buddy who will reliably show up.
So, does the love a diving exceed the commitment to...rules I guess....of diving DIR and you go for it? Or you sit on the beach. It seems a pretty straight yes or no to me.

 

[Doc Intrepid]

I ask this because this would be a good time to decide to "why not DIR".
As to the hypotheticals, here in Belize for instance, there are workers at the atholl resorts who stay year round and have no divers around. I myself live in a very remote area and as a result have my own compressor and tanks because it takes 4 hours of my time to rent tanks and in most cases, I won't be able to find one dive buddy who will reliably show up.
So, does the love a diving exceed the commitment to...rules I guess....of diving DIR and you go for it? Or you sit on the beach. It seems a pretty straight yes or no to me.

If my job goes to hell, do you have a spare room I can rent?

I'll bring my Les Paul...

 

[Dan Gibson]

Are you really sure you have all the facts on GUE training? Some of the items I highlighted would seem to indicate you may not.

btw, in the past (and probably present) most of the money is going to the instructor, not the agency.

So, what does GUE offer me that I should pay 3 or 4 times as much per training hour to go hang with them instead of any other diving organization?

Is there any evidence that a DIR trained diver with the same number of hours under water and the same number of training hours as any other diver is inherently safer or has more fun or more skill?

So, what is it? Why should a non-technical, non-wreck penetrating recreational diver give money to GUE?