Why NOT DIR?

[RoyN]

Yeah, you guys better listen to Kim He's got an army of sumos who will sit on you.

 

[John_B]

Take your last post. You called someone a liar. Maybe you didn't realize that that's what you did. But you did.

I said I think he made it all up, yes. You think the stories sound the same because they are true, I think its because the stories are variations written from the same script. I have yet to meet a DIR diver (and no I haven't met them all LOL!) who is anywhere remotely like that.

Even if some diver somewhere with a backplate and long hose treated him like a jerk, my guess from how he acted in this forum (using the words he used here) was that he was a jerk to someone else based on his own personal emotional baggage (probably a dislike for DIR divers). And that person would understandably give it back in kind. Human nature is funny that way. It actually has nothing to do with DIR, its more about basic interpersonal relationships.

Still, my instincts tell me that he made it all up. It has all the hallmarks of an embellished story.

That's a pretty bad example.

I was just raising the BS flag.

John

 

[rainman_02]

Why? Sometimes it is necessary to descend very fast in order to reach a particular site within a high current environment. I even recall listening to GI "brag" about how he could make it from zero to 200 feet in a minute (or something like that). I often descend much faster than I ascend, especially within the mid-point of a dive say, 80 to 150 feet, where the pressure change is not that fast and I don't need to waste time and air slowly drifting downward. i would think that making a rapid descent could even be considered safer (and more fun) because it saves air and allows more useful bottom time. I would probably never intentionally let myself get 10 lbs bouyant on an ascent, but I often allow myself to be 10-12 lbs (or more) negative to aid my descent and thus expend little energy on the way down.

Obviously an uncontrolled descent could present equalization and other potential problems, but you seem to be equating the ascent and descent? I only learn about DIR from the internet, so I am really curious as to what is being taught in this regard.

As mentioned, it is a classroom buoyancy drill.

I think more important is the "why to descend fast/slow" question.

I think your examples are great for "bombing the site." Which is fine with me (as long as my buddies keep up). However, if you take a look at the various bubble models of decompression, you'll find that the faster and deeper the initial descent, you will experience more total nitrogen loading due to nuclear compression.

So, if you were able to (given the conditions and site) descend to a shallower middle depth and then bomb down a few minutes later...you'd ongas less.

 

[Nemrod]

Absoluletly.

I dont walk around dive sites critiquing gear, or telling people they are "doing it wrong." I'm not the SCUBA police. :no

Usually people come to me and ask questions about my gear which opens the door. I politely answer any of their questions and will discuss any of my choices with them as long as they are interested. Sometimes that conversation is 5 minutes, sometimes its an hour.

Well, I won't ask you about your gear. Now, please note that the latest revision of the "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" unlike the originals they found a cure and the body clones were cured of there "same" think. Please, is there a vacination for this, maybe call the CDC or something--holy cow. Really now.

N

 

[Sloth]

I read a thread on one of the GUE sites -- a *debate* regarding penetration of war graves and the condescension from one of the gurus congealed any lingering need I have had to find the debate intriguing. It all crystallized.--its not about DIR, rather its some twisted life metaphor for people with other issues, on both sides.

It is such a relief to be finally over it.

It will never be over!!! Once you had tasted the forbidden kool-aid you are never the same!!!:nod:

On a totally unrelated topic... when we were on the Sea Tiger today I saw Alex on the Elysium but not Chris. Is he not around any more?

Next time you go diving with Alex shot me a PM. I havent been diving with him in over a year so I've been missing out on some abuse. Also it would give me a chance to meet you and be yet another DIR tech wannabe trying to assimilate you

 

[Kim]

I said I think he made it all up, yes. You think the stories sound the same because they are true, I think its because the stories are variations written from the same script. I have yet to meet a DIR diver (and no I haven't met them all LOL!) who is anywhere remotely like that.

Even if some diver somewhere with a backplate and long hose treated him like a jerk, my guess from how he acted in this forum (using the words he used here) was that he was a jerk to someone else based on his own personal emotional baggage (probably a dislike for DIR divers). And that person would understandably give it back in kind. Human nature is funny that way. It actually has nothing to do with DIR, its more about basic interpersonal relationships.

Still, my instincts tell me that he made it all up. It has all the hallmarks of an embellished story.

I was just raising the BS flag.

John

John..... I've got no idea what the truth is, and neither have you. To me though, you raising the BS flag based solely on your "instincts" is a non-starter. It's about perception, and so often that has little to do with substance.

I have to say that over the last three or so days, I think that DIR on this board has almost self-destructed. I can't believe the attitudes that have been projected by the DIR camp. Normally I have very little to do with DIR discussions, even when I was a Mod. The "Overhead/Running a line" thread in the DIR forum caught me though, and probably led to the "Let's have a new forum" thread, which in turn led to some of the DIR defensiveness in THIS thread - WHICH ISN"T EVEN IN THE DIR FORUM!!!!!!!

For crying out loud - are we all children?????

Speaking personally - in the last few days I've lost a lot of respect for some who I actually trusted and respected. It's a shame but some things I hate, and dishonesty above all. By that I mean a personal dishonesty. Those who twist the facts to excape the conclusion.

I've also gained huge respect for some I didn't really know before. Sometimes not much needs saying to show a position has shifted due to a new way of looking at it. It's not easy to accept though....and deserves much respect.

There's something wrong that I never realized though. I don't know what it is but the defensiveness of the last few days proves to me that it exists.
Truth doesn't need to be so defensive - OR wrap itself up in some kind of protected environment.
I don't know whether it's the proponents of DIR that post on SB, or something inherent in the system itself - I suspect the former.

I'd suggest looking at some of the Oriental arts. While they may be about one thing or another - flower arranging, sword fighting, un-armed combat........whatever - they all start with the personal journey of self discovery.

They all start with YOU. (or me....dependng on how I look at it! )

 

[Kim]

Oh...by the way -
Are there some people who try to screw up any discussion of anything DIR no matter what forum it's in?

Of course there are.

Are there some people who try to screw up ANY discussion no matter what or wherever it is?

Yup.

Are there some people who just want to be the center of attention all the time no matter what?

Absolutely.

Am I like that sometimes?

Aren't we all?

 

[Kingpatzer]

So I tossed out a question at the end of my last post, and I'm logging in before going diving this am:

Still, for those of us who don't dive DIR -- why should we? Why does GUE deserve my money and time over and above any other organization out there that can provide me precisely the same training oportunities?

I'm logged in to find out if any of the "nice" DIR folks answered it. And lo and behold, I find no answers to my question, but I do find stuff like this:

I said I think he made it all up, yes.


Even if some diver somewhere with a backplate and long hose treated him like a jerk, my guess . . . was that he was a jerk to someone else . . .

Ahsomeone said something bad about experiences with DIR - they must be a lying jerk!

Once again demonstrating the point I made as to why I don't dive DIR. Ask an honest question, get insulted! Great marketing campaign guys, really!

 

[DiveTub]

You guys crack me up

So back to the topic.
For me it is a simple one.

I can never DIR (Do It Right) cause of what I wear diving, most (Doing It Right) divers that come out on the same boat believe we CCR diver to be spawn of the DEVIL :devil_3:

Cheers
Chris

 

[Kim]

Ask an honest question, get insulted!

Which is never particularly pleasant.

I'M not DIR, but I have MANY friends who are. DIR doesn't work for me where I live as I can't get the gas, can't build a team, don't even speak the language very well of the other "divers" I dive with if I want to dive at all. I increasingly dive solo - which I do more frequently these days - it's easier. Sure it might kill me. So can a bad buddy.

BUT!!!!! Don't blame the system. It's a great system that I'd adopt completely in a flash if I could. I'm all for safety, awareness, comprehension, skill, fun, camaraderie.....

There's always going to be some who use a little knowledge they think you don't have to belittle and try and put you down. Remember school?

Don't throw the baby out with the bath water!