Why do you dismiss DIR?

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Well I go to work for a couple of hours and when I get back there nothing left but the dishes.

To bad I wasn't in on the 32% discussion but it seems to have been well covered.

I will answer UP question out of respect though.

"Actually your blanket dismissal of my list of reasons as week (sic)does not really address them individually nor add to the information content of this thread"

My blank answer was trying to point out that those reasons would be good for any gas of choice given the proper parameters.
There is nothing wrong with choosing 32% but the reasons you gave had little to do with underwater and more to do with ease of filling, storing, or remembering. Except for

3. Lower O2 exposure:
a. For dives that will require exposure to elevated PO2s in deco
b. For dives that will be followed by dives with elevated PO2s
c. For cold, stressful dives where CO2 build up is a possibility

However I will comment on those individually
A - the idea of elevated PO2 is to reduce exposure to high PPN2.
A higher PO2 is also desirable for the pressure gradient it offers in off gassing any inert gas in your system. This of course all needs to be balanced with the potential for CNS O2 tox. Any gas used properly will allow this say 40% at 80ft
B - this is a good point, but it all comes down to monitoring your CNS & OTU clock, whether it be one big dive or dives over 24 hrs
C - agreed so the PO2 should be kept lower than the O2 exposure limit for scuba of 1.6, however each dive needs to be addressed separately. Some dives might be limited to 1.2 or even less. Say inside a wreck at 250' for 30 minutes vs. 250' in the Caymans for 30 minutes.
For both those dives I might be using very different factors, dose, gas supply, He content, END, even support divers or not.

Yes I could just have a standard gas but then my standard would need to be for the worst type of diving and may not be necessary for all types given depth and time are equal

Well I jumped back in here late and I don't want to take up to much time on a subject that has already been covered. But by me jumping in with both feet and posing the question I got some info out of it as apposed to just saying I like 36% and anybody who doesn't is not a good diver. I have learned why 32% is a good choice for you guys.
 
This seems to be a hot issue. I've never encountered this type of discussion on a dive boat or on the beach. I don't believe I understand this issue. In reading this thread, I've picked up a few impressions, but I could easily be mistaken. My impression is that there is a group calling themselves DIR, which stands for Doing It Right. How am I doing so far?

Seems to be a tad arrogant which seems to have upset a number of people. A poor choice of name with a poor attitude that appears from time to time in both DIR people and people who don't like DIR. I don't see this issue as being important to the discussion at hand. It might be important in who you want to spend time around, but totally irrelevant to this discussion.

I believe there are two types of divers, those who want to "do it right" and believe they are. This does not include only DIR people, but others as well. The other type are those who are not overly concerned with details.

As I said before, I don't understand the issue. I would like Lost Yooper to explain exactly what DIR means. That way, all of us can evaluate each point. We may all pick up some good ideas from such an approach. I'm specifically asking Lost Yooper and not any of the other DIR people because it seems to this outsider he has the respect of everyone involved in this discussion.

I'm interested in learning.

Mossback
 
Originally posted by Mossback
As I said before, I don't understand the issue. I would like Lost Yooper to explain exactly what DIR means
See: http://www.scubaboard.com/t5636/s.html

Your question cannot be answered in a simple reply. There's an entire book about DIR (Doing It Right: The Fundamentals of Better Diving) which is available at:

http://www.gue.com/catalog/order

The major problem about describing DIR is that we get bogged down in discussions of long hoses, which wrist the depth gauge goes on and what kind of fins to use rather than looking at it as the holistic system that it is. This system has four major components which are mental attitude, team work, physical fitness and equipment.

We never seem to get past the equipment part.

Roak
 
Roak,

Thanks for the reply. Unfortunately, it did not address the issue. The first link leads one to another similar discussion in which DIR is danced around, but never explained. I'll pass on the second link. I have no desire to buy a book to see if DIR might possibly be of value. If it can't be explained in a simple reply perhaps it can be explained in a more complicated reply. I'm not senile yet, I am still able to follow most concepts. If it can't be explained at all then this entire discussion is pointless.

There is apparently a concept that will perhaps give new insights to diving safely. I'm willing, no, I'm eager to learn. I'm not willing to buy a book on the topic without getting some background on the concept. I'll patiently wait to see what Lost Yooper has to say on the subject.

Pug,

Do you believe Lost Yooper is not respected by those on both sides? Did I miss something in this thread?

Mossback
 
....on a public forum but if you wish a private briefing from Lost Yooper I would email him privately. You are correct in that he garners respect from both sides.
 
Jim,

What is odd about asking for more information from someone about a topic in which they started a discussion?

This debate has gone on for eight pages. It seems odd to me that after reading those eight pages, I have yet to find what it is even about. I'd be surprised if I were the only one in my place. The majority who don't understand DIR probably stopped following the dancing several pages back.

This entire thread started when Lost Yooper asked something along the lines of why don't you adopt DIR if you understand it? I'd give an exact quote, but I'm new to the board and have yet to learn the techniques for that bold face quote I've seen. I know since I obviously don't understand it, the question was not directed at me. I'd like to understand it. Then I'd be able to either adopt it or answer his question.

Mossback
 
Mossback,
try the search button at the top of this page.
Type in "DIR" or "Doing It Right"

I would Imagine after reading the results of that search, you will have an idea of what DIR is.

It's not something that can be explained easily.

Hope this helps.
 
Mossback,

Here is (yes, another link...) a brief synopsis of DIR from dirQuest
http://www.dirquest.com/about_dir.shtml

roak is right, the answer to "What is DIR?" is very long, and honestly, I don't feel like typing that much... sorry... :eek:ut:
And, IMO, I'm really not qualified to even answer it with authority anyway.

But, you will find that DIR has as much emphasis on 'out of water' topics, as it does 'in-water' topics. It is a whole system, which covers things from lifestyle, to dive planning, to dive execution... It is geared toward technical diving, but the concepts are very backwards compatable to open water recreational diving too.

If you do like what you read in the link above, I would also suggest the DIR-F book from GUE that roak mentioned, it's a relativly quick read, but it has alot of groundwork info about DIR. And, yea... it costs some dough, but any which way you think of DIR in the end, it won't be a waste cause you'll have more knowledge about it, whether you agree with it or not...

Hope you do find out more, and I hope DIR works for you! :D
 
You know if we would all "DO IT CORRECTLY". Then we could all be DIC's. Then we wouldn't have all this name calling all the time. Just a thought:crazyeyes I'll :coke: to that....no:spank: and the cave divers know this guy:reaper: OK enough fun now...Ken
 
http://cavediveflorida.com/Rum_House.htm

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