DIR- GUE Why are non-GUE divers so interested in what GUE does?

[tursiops]

There are three thread title "prefixes" that can be selected when posting a new thread to the DIR forum: "DIR-generic," "DIR-GUE" and "DIR-UTD." Once posted, the prefix is added to the thread title. So, it's not the forum itself but rather the thread title that indicates the intended scope of the thread.

OK, got it. Are there other major categories that are subdivided with labels like this?

 

[PfcAJ]

That’s when you do need a team approach. Obviously depends on the peril, but many require enormous amounts of gas (CO2) and you’ll probably be needing other people's gas to get you out alive and walking.

You really don’t need team bailout for those dives. You just need a smart way to carry it. And we’ve figured that out.

 

[eelpout]

was curious so i pulled out my GUE materials, specifically their comprehensive "Beginning with the End in Mind" dtd 2009. Doing it Right is spelled out 67 times in the 503 page document.

Cant find it spelled out in any of my UTD materials.

AG was smart enough to stay away from it.....

 

[Lorenzoid]

OK, got it. Are there other major categories that are subdivided with labels like this?

You'd have to look around the board. I don't know.

 

[Adobo]

If this forum is only about GUE, it should be named that. DIR historically means more than GUE, and places like Wikipedia say:

The DIR philosophy is now used as a basis for teaching scuba diving from entry-level to technical and cave qualifications by several organizations, such as Global Underwater Explorers (GUE),[2] Unified Team Diving (UTD)[3] and InnerSpace Explorers (ISE).​

Given that GUE seems to be trying to disavow the term DIR -- due to its baggage -- it is an obvious conflict to name the forum DIR but have vocal proponents for it to be about GUE only.

I don't know how other folks feel about it but for me, DiR is not just GUE. I am sure many divers dive using DiR principles with little, if any, GUE training. I think @RTodd said that he had already been doing the dives with DiR people long before he took his one and only GUE class (Tech 2). He is probably not the only example.

The thing about the various agencies, only GUE teaches what is DiR pretty much across the board, with arguably some exceptions. (Note: GUE doesn't even call it DiR anymore.) When AG started UTD, there was already a divergence between what UTD teaches and what is taught by GUE / what is practiced by the WKPP. UTD had CCR and sidemount and sidemount CCR many many moons ago. They were teaching mixed teams (OC and CCR divers on the same dive) before GUE had a CCR program. And the WKPP doesn't even do CCR.

I don't deny that UTD can and does teach DiR diving in some of their programs. I can't imagine how a diver is supposed to sort out what is DiR and what is not as it relates to UTD though. UTD makes their own decisions as to what makes sense for them and their divers - irrespective of what GUE or the WKPP do. I don't know ISE personally but I imagine similar issues exist with them.

Its even worse for IANTD, TDI, etc. Their general course structure is not DiR right out of the gate.

So no, DiR is not GUE specific. However, one issue lies in assuming that you get DiR training just because the agency calls their class DiR. A name is just a name. If your instructor has an extensive background in diving with the WKPP or other similar projects in Europe or in Mexico or has extensive background in GUE training, then sure, the instructor might be providing you training that is DiR even if the agency isn't GUE. But without that background, good luck.

 

[tursiops]

You'd have to look around the board. I don't know.

Hmmm. Looked around. Other than the marketplaces with "for sale" and "sold" kind of labels, DIR appears to be the only forum or subforum with special labels; all the others are generic, eg

 

[Wibble]

The number of people asking questions in this forum and then arguing about the answer without any training.

But we have been trained. There’s lots of agencies and extremely capable instructors teaching (technical) courses. GUE don’t have a monopoly on good technical diving training.

 

[crofrog]

But we have been trained. There’s lots of agencies and extremely capable instructors teaching (technical) courses. GUE don’t have a monopoly on good technical diving training.

Sure add the the "by gue" at the end if you must, and you're both the exception and part of the problem in my view.

 

[grantctobin]

There are no open circuit normoxic divers any longer

False. There are certainly few hypoxic dives done on open circuit, but to say there are no normoxic OC divers is patently false.

That’s when you do need a team approach.

KUR isn’t, WKPP isn’t, the few in the rest of the Americas I know of certainly aren’t. Who taught you that team approach is appropriate or common or even remotely safe? It certainly does not align with the principles of the forum in which you’re posting.

 

[lermontov]

You really don’t need team bailout for those dives. You just need a smart way to carry it. And we’ve figured that out.

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