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Which regulator should you donate?
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so you don't teach regulator recovery? there must be other flaws too....
Do I not teach recovery????????????? Brilliant. What does that have to do with the fact that when you donate your primary you have two divers hopefully for only a second but it could be longer without air?????????????????
Of course Recovery is taught and I can't believe I'm actually taking the time to answer such a question. Come on man...You're better than that!
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You are the best Cincy... loads of fun... but I need to leave and go to the store... it will involve driving on the freeway... I hope I don't panic when I blink my eyes and can't see the road momentarily. And what if my heart stops... or... or my bladder explodes?
My bladder about exploded as I read this...LMAO
Panic is the excuse you guys have used for donating the primary...Come on now! Be careful on the highway..My wife is out there. Take COVER!!!
What I am getting at is that the diver in control is donating a "I know right this very second this regulator is working" regulator. During a regulator recovery drill you (the diver in control) is "OOA" for more than a few seconds....panic should not set in.
Now let me draw the line back to the 2 divers and the OOA scenario where you donate your primary. The diver in control has donated the primary and assured that the OOA diver has purged and the reg and has gotten a good breath. Now that controlled diver switches to the back-up only to find that even though it was tested, it is now not delivering air.
How long does this all take....lets be generous and say 15 seconds. So now I need to communicate that I want to share air with the previously OOA diver. Since at this point, both divers should be calm this should be 1 hand motion that states we need to share air to get back to the surface.
We'll say total elapsed time here is 25 to 30 seconds.....really that isn't long to go without air if you don't panic....it's really not....well, at least not for me.
I will continue to donate my primary....to me donating a known working reg and both divers being OOA for a few mere seconds has a lower risk rate than sending an already panicked diver into a more panicked state.
Hey everything you said sounds good to me but it's not always going to go that perfect.
What IF the octo fails and the diver that is supposedly in control does panic...And at the same time the diver that has taken the primary is still in super stress mode. Now you got two stressed or paniced divers on your hands.
I'm not talking about you so please don't take it personally. I trust you are a great diver and would be happy to have you as a buddy.
I'm talking about the not so good divers or even the divers that look good but can't handle stress at all.
Last time I checked the two mainstream agencies I teach for (SSI and NAUI) don't require you to pass the backup. It's instructor choice for both agencies. I started diving in 96 and was taught to the pass the primary (shop standard) and until I started seeing instructors from other shops I did not even know that people didn't pass the primary.
I tell my students that some might say to pass the backup but I explain why it is better to pass the primary. An out of air diver may just rip the primary out of your mouth. Are you going to fight them to get it back? NO you just go for the backup. Some divers use an integrated regulator/power inflator or bungied backup and it's almost impossible for them to pass the backup.
BTW in the latest issue of Sport Diver that I read it was talking about gear configs and the diver in the photo had his backup on a necklace and PADI is about as mainstream as you can get. Wow that's stating the obvious lol
I've been teaching since 1996 but you are exactly right with both. And for that matter....If anyone knows Ray would know! And he knows about it all. Without question. And if Ray knows...then ZoCrowe probably knows too.
So you go to your inflator, problem solved.
Big, don't get sucked into the double, triple and quadruple failures that the naysayers throw at you to attempt to discredit the donate-the-primary methodology.
Failure 1: A diver is OOA.
Failure 2: A bungeed backup that's been tested at the beginning of the dive, kept under your chin away from any knid of debris and typically tested at several points during the dive and worked perfectly (otherwise you would have called the dive) fails at that very moment: Unreasonable scenario.
With all the care thats taken to assure that the backup wont fail, if it does at the moment another divers OOA, well, my numbers up. Im not going to compromise a simpler, more robust and more reliable response to an OOA situation based on such an unlikely scenario.
Design your response around the reasonable, single (OOA) failure and make it the best it can be and forget about the rest.
You solve the reasonable problems, not the unreasonable scenarios.
Roak
Ok now, with this quote..Why not give your Octo to begin with then?
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