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Organize, organize, organize! California has a group called Cen Cal that lobby's the state legislature. I recently saw an action alert for Monterey which was sponsored by local businesses dependent on dive tourism. For a couple of years I worked with a group that lobbied on behalf of sportfisherman. They used to form coalitions with diving clubs and other diving organization to address access issues and fight commercial fishing practices that were decimating local fisheries.

I grew up diving in Monterey in the 70s and worked at a local dive shop there. The local community wasn't as supportive of divers back then. It is a much more diver friendly town these days. A lot of the issues resolved around parking, dressing in the parking lots, etc. I remember one campaign back in 70s where Divers were putting dive flag stickers on the money they spent locally. It's kind of hard to do that these days with everybody using credit cards.
 
I like diving in Gloucester as much as the next man, and since nobody seems to be paying attention to my previous suggestions, let me share this:

It doesn't seem that any changes to the situation will be made on a diver by diver basis. Organization is key. However, I have been on charters by an operation who shall remain nameless, where the captain intentionally ran through and over lobster buoys. I am not trying to get anyone in trouble, because I truly enjoy riding with these guys, but when a diving charter operation takes an obvious stance against lobstermen, it brings attention to any and every diver, whether diving from shore or a boat. Where the peace needs to start is between local operators and lobstermen, then we as divers should clear up whatever loose ends are left.

I still like my original ideas better though.

And I hate pretty much everything about lobster.
 
Not to knock the folks there, but I am surprised that Cape Ann Divers (and other area LDSs) seem to be soooo quiet in all these issues? Esepcially the two articles in the local newspaper. One article (which attempts to be unbiased) seems to portay "many" divers as "invaders" and "robbers". While "no lobsterman wants to deliberately hurt a diver". And in the other [article] the town celebrates and cheers as dive symbols are tossed on a bonfire!

Why are these shops not more vocal and visiable? Informing and possibly organizing divers, dive clubs, other local businesses to stand up for their customers?

Does Cape Ann Divers and other shops have any representative members at this site? Maybe they should? I know I have seen folks from PGDive posting here.

Just curious, I'm thinking the success of their business is dependent on local divers and access to dive spots, so they'd be pretty concerned about these happenings?
 
JimJam:
I think we should:

Riot and burn stuff.

Throw bricks and loot.

Shoot Guns into the air and scream.

Maybe even lynch a couple lobstermen...that's how we got stuff done in '02.

Well it worked in " Conquest of the Planet of the Apes ", maybe it's worth a shot!?
 
scubastew:
Esepcially the two articles in the local newspaper. One article (which attempts to be unbiased) seems to portay "many" divers as "invaders" and "robbers". While "no lobsterman wants to deliberately hurt a diver". And in the other [article] the town celebrates and cheers as a dive symbols are tossed on a bonfire!

When and where did you see these articles published? I have been looking to see what type of reaction this thing is getting in Gloucester and have not seen anything written as of yet.
 
PFF:
When and where did you see these articles published? I have been looking to see what type of reaction this thing is getting in Gloucester and have not seen anything written as of yet.

sorry, I was directed via another post:

http://www.gloucestertimes.com/apstorysection/local_story_189131912/resources_printstory

"Fishermen members of the Cove expressed their distaste for some scuba divers by affixing a skull and crossbones and several "no divers" banners and flags to the bonfire, along with the diver effigy in the outhouse. Some of the divers who park at the Cove and dive off the rocks there have plundered lobster traps and have been accused of defecating in the bushes."

and
(sorry for the length but couldnot find a "link" as above)
The lobsterman and the diver — a hate-hate relationship?

Ebb & Flow -- Peter K. Prybot

As air and water temperatures rise, lobstermen and scuba divers will compete again for Cape Ann's littoral waters, and longtime distrusts between them will surface.

Both groups often don't understand how each one works. Just how did these hard feelings originate? Local lobsterman Jim Waddell gives one clue: "It's the 2 percent factor in any group that always gives the rest of the group a bad name." These distrusts are not likely to disappear.

The diver picture here

Divers primarily work just off the bottom, and although they can clearly hear the noise of an approaching boat, they can only guess what is going on at the surface. All divers talked to feel they have a right to the ocean and its resources.

Cape Ann waters the last 25 years have been especially magnetic to out-of-town recreational divers with all levels of experience, who on summer weekends often far outnumber the area's more than 300 lobstermen. Part of that draw is ample access to the water either by foot from seaside parking areas or by boat from numerous public boat ramps. Dive boat charters also provide them access, while others boat in from out-of-town and even out-of-state.

Cape Ann's diverse ecotypes and rich marine life, including lobsters, are other attractions. Many recreational divers also pick up lobsters while exploring the bottom. But, gathering lobsters is the main purpose for others, whether licensed or not.

Cape Ann also has its share of local recreational and even commercial divers. The latter invade area waters to harvest sea urchins, check moorings, salvage lost equipment and clear fouled propellers. Cape Cod has the state's only five or so commercially licensed lobster divers.

The lobsterman picture here

Cape Ann lobstermen, like this author, primarily work the bottom from the surface, and they can only guess for the most part what is going on down there. They trap lobsters with fixed gear that requires continued hauling, re-baiting, emptying, setting back and moving throughout the year.

Time is money for them, and they want to get their day's work done quickly and smoothly. The lobstermen's daily routine at sea often brings them in contact with divers, especially during the warm-water months. Although a few lobstermen have used potentially dangerous means to express their displeasure to certain divers working amongst their lobster gear, no lobsterman wants to deliberately hurt a diver. Lobstermen have often gone out of their way to help divers, including those in need of a lift after venturing far off the coast.

Most lobstermen instinctively feel their commercial fishing should take precedence over recreational diving, and they know as a historical group, they have been trapping lobsters inshore long before both the Aqua-Lung was invented, and the move where everyone wants the ocean and its resources, came about.

Most also don't believe either the ocean or its lobsters belong to them. But local lobsterman Bob Morris Jr., explains, "The lobster is mine once it has gone into my trap."

Unfortunately, many divers have figured out pulling lobsters out of traps is much easier than yanking them out of rocky crevices.

The laws

Numerous laws, enforced at times by local police and harbormasters, Massachusetts Environmental Police and the U.S. Coast Guard protect the lobster and lobstermen and divers, especially from each other.

But just how many of the divers and lobstermen are familiar with these laws? How many divers still dive unmarked and cause lobstermen's hearts to rise up into their throats after suddenly seeing the divers' bubbles rise in their boats' pathways?

Furthermore, how many divers stay at least 25 feet away from lobster buoys and stay clear of boats working their traps, and how many lobstermen come to within 50 feet of either a marked diver or his marked craft, or operate their boats at speeds greater than 3 miles per hour within 100 feet of a diver?

Most important, how many divers rob lobsters out of traps? These laws get broken hundreds of times during busy summer weekends.

Law enforcement often acts on tips, and they will move quickly on any incident they deem serious. A local lobsterman was convicted of an unsafe boat operation and a dive flag violation this spring, and the diver, even though that person was diving within 25 feet of one of the lobsterman's buoys as well as under his working boat, was not cited at all.

"We don't consider anything a hoax until we can prove it that way; we have 62 miles of shoreline in Gloucester alone to cover," explained Jim Caulkett, Gloucester's harbormaster.

Lt. John Tulik of the Massachusetts Environmental Police further warned, "If anyone is caught raiding a trap, they will be arrested, and they will lose all their gear, including their boat. We are looking into new technology that can prove a trap has been tampered with and can pinpoint who did it."

Divers' perspective

Divers have their reasons why they might harbor hard feelings toward lobstermen.

"Inasmuch as many divers feel persecuted by the lobstermen, I have heard of many levels of stories from other divers of actual physical attacks ranging from dropping of objects, including concrete blocks in the bubble stream, to having their dive flags grabbed and then pulled by a boat at high speeds," explained Steve Brouillette, owner of Atlantic Divers in Danvers, who frequently dives off Cape Ann.

He added, "A rapid descent in and of itself is dangerous."

"In reality, I'm an instructor; I teach for fun; and I probably don't take more than six lobsters a year," he said.

Brouillette was also hired by an out-of-town lobsterman after the October 1991 "no-name" storm to retrieve lost traps. That lobsterman later told Brouillette, "It burns my *** to be paying you because I know you have been taking lobsters out of my traps."

Bill Sage from Framingham loves to dive off Cape Ann year-round with his friend Bud McGovern from Natick. Both have had bad encounters with lobstermen in the past, including having lobster boats pass right over their bubbles and having an irate lobsterman come to within a few feet of the dive boat they were on.

"He was bent out of shape that we were diving near traps," McGovern said.

"We just dive to see what's there," Sage said. "I might take one or two lobsters a year. I mainly get a license to support the fishery."

"I haven't taken a lobster for five years," McGovern added.

Both men feel that there are fewer divers diving for lobsters today than there were 10 years ago. Like many divers, McGovern and Sage have also helped out lobstermen by retrieving their lost and hung-down gear and clearing their fouled propellers.

"You are definitely aware of the lobstermen's presence; some won't give you the right of way," McGovern said.

Sources of lobstermen's distrust

In a nutshell, there are few local lobstermen, if any, who haven't had their traps robbed of lobsters by divers over the years. This pilfering can amount to hundreds of pounds of lobsters.

"My first thought is when I see a diver's flag amongst my gear is, is there going to be anything in my traps, and are my trap doors going to be open?" said lobsterman John "Hucka" Knowlton. But, he quickly adds, "I've also seen a lot of divers swimming right around the pots, and the pots have come up fine."

Knowlton has had divers even cut the nettings of his trap to get at the lobsters inside. He still vividly remembers a Rhode Island dive club that launched its boat one late summer day several years ago at the Granite Pier public ramp and boated out to the Sandy Bay Breakwater.

"They got me trap for trap along the edge there," said Knowlton, who saw them later come up with several bags full of lobsters.

The group, also rumored to have possessed illegal egg-bearing and V-notched female lobsters, was later questioned by local authorities at Granite Pier and let go. Knowlton remembers what one member yelled out during the questioning: "You don't know who I am. I'm a state cop from Rhode Island."

Albert Olson, another local lobsterman, distrusts divers for an additional reason: "Four years ago, divers near Granite Pier cut three traps out of an eight-pot trawl along with its end buoy line," he said. The divers did so to catch lobsters by checking and re-baiting the traps on weekends. Olson later snagged a section of the stolen traps' floating ground line and got his gear back. "The divers had put in extra bait bags," Olson said.

He and other lobstermen feel the percentage of bad apples has grown, and they have also found: "The (divers working off) boats are the worst, and the diver thievery is worst on weekends and holidays."

Added Bob Morris Jr.: "The divers' access is greater today, and you get hit in places you never got hit before."
 
Can't we all just get along...;)
 
My favorite part of the above 2nd article....."But just how many of the divers and lobstermen are familiar with these laws? How many divers still dive unmarked and cause lobstermen's hearts to rise up into their throats after suddenly seeing the divers' bubbles rise in their boats' pathways?

Furthermore, how many divers stay at least 25 feet away from lobster buoys and stay clear of boats working their traps, and how many lobstermen come to within 50 feet of either a marked diver or his marked craft, or operate their boats at speeds greater than 3 miles per hour within 100 feet of a diver?

Most important, how many divers rob lobsters out of traps? These laws get broken hundreds of times during busy summer weekends."

Are you kidding me? This writer thinks that stealing lobster out of the pot is MORE IMPORTANT than someone getting run down and possibly killed by a lobsterman that may be mistaken? GGGGGGGGOOOOOOOOOODDDDDDDDD! Are you joking???????????????:light: :mooner: Hey I would like to smack a poacher too but this is SSSSSILLYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I have been diving for ten years. This has been going on for a long long time. I think we should all get a petition started with as many names as we can. Then we can send our concerns and the petition with someone from the Bay State Council of Divers, to the Gloucester selectmans town meeting, when they are going to vote on it.

We All Should Unite on this matter.
 

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