What solo cert do you have, has it ever been turned down?

What solo cert do you have, has it ever been turned down?

  • PADI Self-Reliant Diver, never turned down

    Votes: 34 21.5%
  • PADI Self-Reliant Diver, turned down

    Votes: 5 3.2%
  • SDI Solo Diver, never turned down

    Votes: 57 36.1%
  • SDI Solo Diver, turned down

    Votes: 7 4.4%
  • Other agency, designate in post, never turned down

    Votes: 5 3.2%
  • Other agency, designate in post, turned down

    Votes: 1 0.6%
  • Solo dive, not certified, never turned down

    Votes: 45 28.5%
  • Solo dive, not certified, turned down

    Votes: 9 5.7%

  • Total voters
    158

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How would you ensure this if diving a deep OC dive with three stages?
Your stages are not part of your balanced rig.
If you'd need to use the reserves of those, causing them to become very buoyant, you can always send them up on your smb line. (Or leave them on the cave ceiling and retrieve them on a next dive).

But since this is about diving solo, I don't think I'd do such a dive requiring 3 deco gasses. That's beyond my personal limits of what I consider acceptable.
 
Your stages are not part of your balanced rig.
If you'd need to use the reserves of those, causing them to become very buoyant, you can always send them up on your smb line. (Or leave them on the cave ceiling and retrieve them on a next dive).

But since this is about diving solo, I don't think I'd do such a dive requiring 3 deco gasses. That's beyond my personal limits of what I consider acceptable.
Doing some OS mix dives using a bottom stage to extend the bottom time. Have to factor in the weight of the gas given that it could all be consumed in extremis. Being light at deco isn’t a good place to be.
 
.....and stay on the surface.
That's a very good point. Many have reached the surface only to sink again for the very last time. And this is true for buddy diving, too!
 
I have a balanced rig and have successfully swam it up (in fresh water) from 100 ft. to the surface with the wing completely empty. However, I'm slightly negative so I need to fin slightly to stay afloat. I imagine if you're with a buddy, and you stay together, your buddy can add more gas to his/her BCD and keep you both afloat until the boat picks you up or you swim ashore. If I was by myself, I would try to remove some lead weight I have in tank pockets before ditching the gear. So, there are options besides drowning to try out before you take the plunge to Davy Jones locker.
 
Yes, we are using different languages.
Buoyancy is an upward forces. Dropping weights does not increase that upward force, it only stops working against it.
Inserting "means of achieving" completely changes what you are saying.
Redundant buoyancy is an adjective modifying an noun. The noun is buoyancy, an upward force. Redundant means more than one way of achieving that upward force, such as an SMB, or a drysuit, or dual bladders.
I think you are confusing buoyancy with movement upwards.
Well, as a solo diver with over 60 years experience, I have to disagree. When you have an upward force (BCD, wet suit, dry suit) that is offset by weights (weight belt, weights in the BCD, etc.) you have a cancelled upward force. You drop those weights, you have an net upward force, not a neutralized force.

Now, I was diving before we had BCDs (and helped develop them). Before BCDs, we dove with a wet suit, weight belt, and in the later 1960s a CO2 vest (for surface use, to maintain a face-up position on the surface). We also did not have any redundant equipment. We learned how to operate without a mask, for instance (my buddy, Bob Means, and I took off our masks when we went through pool harassment in the U.S. Naval School for Underwater Swimmers and handed them to our tormentors). We also learned how to operate without our scuba, if necessary (emergency swimming ascent, even a buoyant ascent from 25 feet).

So even when diving solo, I have no need for everything to be redundant. Actually, because I usually dive in relatively shallow water (less than 30 feet) with high currents (diving under a rapids, for instance), streamlining and very good swimming techniques are more valued by me than redundancy.

Now, regarding staying on the surface once it is attained, that should be a given! We used to weight ourselves so that we were floating vertically at eye level on a full breath at the start of the dive with no extra buoyancy in any kind of device, and at the end we were somewhat buoyant. With the invention of BCDs, we continued to weight ourselves in this manner, but used the BCD to compensate for the loss of buoyancy of the wet suit at depth. This works extremely well.

Now, what I’m seeing is the emphasis on “balanced rigs” which have lots of weight to get down, and are “balanced” so that the diver can be horizontal. If buoyancy is lost, a “redundant” means of offering buoyancy is needed so that the diver can get to the surface. I note two things here; first, that this is what we classically called “equipment dependency,” and second that this offers much more incentive for the diver to buy more equipment, and so the instructors and dive industry have an incentive to practice this type of diving and instruction.

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John & Mossback Mk 3-1 by John Ratliff, on Flickr
 
Now, what I’m seeing is the emphasis on “balanced rigs” which have lots of weight to get down, and are “balanced” so that the diver can be horizontal. If buoyancy is lost, a “redundant” means of offering buoyancy is needed so that the diver can get to the surface. I note two things here; first, that this is what we classically called “equipment dependency,” and second that this offers much more incentive for the diver to buy more equipment, and so the instructors and dive industry have an incentive to practice this type of diving and instruction.
Your definition for "balanced rig" is different than how most users define it on SB. As I have described it above I don't use "lots of weight" to get down but just enough to allow me to descend when I exhale, and that allows me to swim up to the surface. To be horizontal the term I would use is to get the weight distributed not balanced.
 
I apologise if i missed something, but i only went through the 17 pages of this thread briefly. :coffee:

Since the beginning of this thread is a bit dated and the SSI Cert wasn't an option in the poll: How was your experience with that one? Namely the "SSI - Independent Diving"? (Funnily enough, their internal short code for that one is just "SC-SOLO").

I'm an assistant instructor and was denied diving solo in egypt recently by a base that i shall not name since i otherwise like them. Had i been in active teaching status it would've been ok to go in the water with several students of course. Complete BS logic. Maybe they just wanted to sell the solo course, maybe it was legal requirements in egypt, i'm not sure.

But long story short: I'd get the plastic card (or e-card nowadays) for free from my instructor trainer except for the SSI fees. I'm just not sure if anyone would care about that card at all.
Do you have that cert and did it get you in the water alone? Especially in egypt, but of course other places in the world would be interesting as well. :)
 
I got SDI Solo in 2013 to help me with operators who do not know me. I call ahead to make sure they accept solo diving. I have never been turned down under these circumstances. Some operators simply do not accept solo.
 
How many operators refuse the diver not the card
 
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