What Defines a "Tech" Diver

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Those who argue that depth is irrelevant are living in a fantasy past.
No one is making that claim Mel. Myself and others are stating it is a gray area.

I do understand that some agencies prefer to teach at the lowest common denominator. I would hope those of us participating here are about that.

There are so many factors regarding risk that no lines can be drawn. Looking at page 9-63 of the Navy dive tables: https://www.divetable.info/workshop/USN_Rev7_Tables.pdf, they list 5 minutes at 190 feet. Now of course, we need to take into account that these tables are for young, fit people. Not old farts like me or older with one foot in the grave.

This discussion has shown there is no clear definition. As depth has been brought up, it is a grey area. It isn't the only factor to where DCS and safety become a "significant" concern.
 
These are also true about deep recreational dives, for responsible divers.


Let us say warm tropical waters for a trained responsible deep diver.
None, approaching, a little, definitely, very?
its par for the coarse to a diver who has experienced similar or more complex dives. thats why its impossible to say a dive is this or that without knowing who's making the dive. To a diver this year it may be a big dive and next year run of the mill depending on how much diving they get done or how they take to diving. You can't take the human element out of it.
 
its par for the coarse to a diver who has experienced similar or more complex dives. thats why its impossible to say a dive is this or that without knowing who's making the dive. To a diver this year it may be a big dive and next year run of the mill depending on how much diving they get done or how they take to diving. You can't take the human element out of it.
Experienced responsible 130' deep diver on an average day for them.

How technical is this dive?
None, approaching, a little, definitely, or very technical for them that day?

70' 45 minutes on air
HP100 + AL40 pony
GF 100/100
warm clear calm tropical waters, nice ascent slope.

Deco:
* 7 min @ 10'
Gas used: 62 cuft with .4 SAC (my baseline conservative SAC)
Minimum gas (based on 4.0xSAC/+4min@70ft): 43cuft/1,454psi/Δ:-24psi (for main tank


Just to calibrate:
* How technical is the same spot but 40' for 40 minutes.
* 180' for 60 minutes on trimix with accelerated deco, and they now have Trimix cert.
 
Experienced responsible 130' deep diver on an average day for them.

70' 45 minutes on air
HP100 + AL40 pony
GF 100/100
warm tropical waters, nice ascent slope.

Deco:
* 7 min @ 10'
Gas used: 62 cuft with .4 SAC (my baseline conservative SAC)
Minimum gas (based on 4.0xSAC/+4min@70ft): 43cuft/1,454psi/Δ:-24psi (for main tank

How technical is that dive?
None, approaching, a little, definitely, or very technical for them that day?
The day before the dive its none, the morning of the dive surface conditions have changed and people have been getting sick on the way out, approaching the site your feeling a little queasy yourself but what the heck you'll be fine once your in the water. On the bottom your definitely not 100% but you don't want to be that diver that goes back early and your starting to regret the few beers the night before, as you approach the stop you vomit into the reg and things get "technical."
 
READ the .... QUESTION.

ETA: You're at 130, just before NLD, at your rec. min gas, lost your buddy, suddenly you vomit etc and things get:
dicey, technical??
 
So I skimmed through this thread and found a whole lot of "Here is what I think the phrase should mean" and similar phrases. This reminds me of a portion of Alice Through the Looking Glass, which I will quote below to make this point: a word or phrase attains useful meaning when enough members of a group use the word or phrase in a way that communicates meaning. Once that is achieved, then the word or phrase means that, and it doesn't matter what you think it should mean. The staff of dictionaries and encyclopedias work year round to see how words or phrases are being used, and when they see that people have accepted a certain definition, then that definition becomes part the dictionary or encyclopedia.

For reference and amusement, here is the portion of Alice Through the Looking Glass to which I referred above.

“I don’t know what you mean by ‘glory,’” Alice said.​
Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. “Of course you don’t—till I tell you. I meant ‘there’s a nice knock-down argument for you!’”​
“But ‘glory’ doesn’t mean ‘a nice knock-down argument,’” Alice objected.​
“When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.”​
“The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.”​
“The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master—that’s all.”​
Alice was too much puzzled to say anything, so after a minute Humpty Dumpty began again. “They’ve a temper, some of them—particularly verbs, they’re the proudest—adjectives you can do anything with, but not verbs—however, I can manage the whole lot of them! Impenetrability! That’s what I say!”​
“Would you tell me, please,” said Alice “what that means?”​
“Now you talk like a reasonable child,” said Humpty Dumpty, looking very much pleased. “I meant by ‘impenetrability’ that we’ve had enough of that subject, and it would be just as well if you’d mention what you mean to do next, as I suppose you don’t mean to stop here all the rest of your life.”​
“That’s a great deal to make one word mean,” Alice said in a thoughtful tone.​
“When I make a word do a lot of work like that,” said Humpty Dumpty, “I always pay it extra.”​
“Oh!” said Alice. She was too much puzzled to make any other remark.​
“Ah, you should see “em come round me of a Saturday night,” Humpty Dumpty went on, wagging his head gravely from side to side: “for to get their wages, you know.”​
 
So I skimmed through this thread and found a whole lot of "Here is what I think the phrase should mean" and similar phrases. This reminds me of a portion of Alice Through the Looking Glass, which I will quote below to make this point: a word or phrase attains useful meaning when enough members of a group use the word or phrase in a way that communicates meaning. Once that is achieved, then the word or phrase means that, and it doesn't matter what you think it should mean.
OK. So, what does the phrase mean to you?
 

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