What Defines a "Tech" Diver

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Perhaps we need to distinguish between what "is" a tech dive, versus what "should be" a tech dive. I'm sure there is some depth below which you agree it ought to be treated as a tech dive, with associated planning, redundancy, etc.
I know the "you" referred to @Kay Dee, but I just wanted to say here that I doubt the people in this thread are going to agree on a precise depth below which any dive ought to be treated a "tech dive," as some later replies about bounce dives and such have pointed out. Sure, we can all agree that any dive to 300 feet ought to be treated as a tech dive by any sane individual, but that's a kind of useless thing to have us agree on. On maybe a more interesting note, the standards of least one training agency known for its conservative approach to safety seem to suggest that a depth below which a dive ought to be treated as a tech dive might be as seemingly shallow as 100 feet. Below that, it's expected you may rack up some deco and you will also want to start planning for some narcosis, so you should plan the dive as a deco dive and also use some helium. As for the use of helium, some might say that alone makes it a tech dive. Of course, not that many years ago Nitrox was a tech gas. That is, if "tech" had even been a term back then; Nitrox was "voodoo gas." Nowadays, rebreathers are borderline recreational gear, and "Triox," "Helitrox," etc. helium (never mind its scarcity) mixes might be recreational, too. GUE offers a course called "Recreational Diver 3," which is GUE's version of what other agencies might call a "Deep" course, and introduces light deco and helium. I'll stick with my original reply to the query in this thread and say defining the boundary where rec ends and tech begins is futile.
 
That's an easy one, no tech, a recreational dive for me ...
About 5% of my solo drift dives in S FL are light deco, <10 min. I consider the variables for each dive. I dive an AL80 and an AL19. I dive my Teric at 80/95 and my avg RMV over the last 1,792 dives is 0.36 cu ft/min.

So, if this dive was for 50 min, I would have nearly your 7 min of deco. It's easy to choose a scenario that will fit the criteria you want. I will rate this dive a little bit of tech.

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The point was 7 minutes of 10' deco does not take a very big dive. Yeah, how close to the edge you set the GF makes a difference.
Tech diving is any overhead environment weather physical or theoretical that would make it unsafe or impossible to make a direct ascent to the surface.
Does it all start with a bang, or is there some gradual onset. Is one minute of 10' deco definitely technical? Or a little technical?
 
Yeah, how close to the edge you set the GF makes a difference. The point was 7 minutes of 10' deco does not take a very big dive.

Does it all start with a bang, or is there some gradual onset. Is one minute of 10' deco definitely tech? Or a little technical?
That's just the tip. We all know what happens once you get the tip...
 
Just to remove (reasonable) GFs from the equation.
How much is this dive technical?
None, approaching technical, a little technical, definite technical, very technical.

70' 45 minutes on air
HP100 + AL40 pony
GF 100/100
ETA: warm tropical waters for trained responsible deep diver.

Deco:
* 7 min @ 10'
Gas used: 62 cuft with .4 SAC (my baseline conservative SAC)
Minimum gas (based on 4.0xSAC/+4min@70ft): 43cuft/1,454psi/Δ:-24psi (for main tank)
 
Different question, what justifies the distinction in the first place, the need to draw a line?
As I see it, the need to precisely define the boundaries of rec diving is a product of the major training agencies' push to make available to the masses the kind of diving that the masses want to do. Most divers are not hanging out on SB or some tech diving forum. Rather, they're traveling to warm destinations and enjoying the underwater world for a little while. The major training agencies devised programs to make that easy and safe, and the boundaries they have drawn around that realm define "recreational" diving. PADI may have been the biggest proponent of this concept, and so the term "recreational" may be somewhat American-centric in origin. As pointed out above, BSAC felt no need to define the boundaries quite so precisely, and probably other agencies as well. CMAS?
 
As I see it, the need to precisely define the boundaries of rec diving is a product of the major training agencies' push to make available to the masses the kind of diving that the masses want to do. Most divers are not hanging out on SB or some tech diving forum. Rather, they're traveling to warm destinations and enjoying the underwater world for a little while. The major training agencies devised programs to make that easy and safe, and the boundaries they have drawn around that realm define "recreational" diving. PADI may have been the biggest proponent of this concept, and so the term "recreational" may be somewhat American-centric in origin. As pointed out above, BSAC felt no need to define the boundaries quite so precisely, and probably other agencies as well. CMAS?
It is worth pointing out that PADI -- per usual -- has tried to define safe boundaries, for example PPO2=1.4 as a limit. They argue that 130 from the surface (whether straight down or partly into a cavern or a wreck) is another limit, with the added complexity of the overhead. They argue that Nitrox below 40% is safe. Going beyond those conservative limits requires more planning, more experience, more training, more gear.....
Going beyond those limits may not be dangerous, but it is certainly raising the risk profile. Some agencies say even those limits need to be pulled in further, like GUE not exceeding 100 ft without He.

Those who argue that depth is irrelevant are living in a fantasy past, when He was not so normalized, and you never ran out of gas. Bounce dives? Silly, unrecognized by any agency, not part of recreational diving. Calling a pony your reserve is childish semantics; most would call a pony an emergency gas, NOT to be used as part of your gas planning. That is how the agencies train people to use a pony.

Two things are clear about tech diving: you plan your dive, and you have the necessary redundancy. Dropping accidentally dropping below 130 ft does not constitute a tech dive, because it was not planned and it did not have the necessary redundancy. Tech diving is, well, more technical, both in terms of the planning and in terms of the possible equipment.

The Solo card from SDI and the Self-Reliant card from PADI are, I submit, very close to technical certifications, even though they do not exceed "recreational depths" and do not allow deco or any kind of ceiling. They DO require planning, and certain redundancy in equipment, including gas supplies.
 
Just to remove (reasonable) GFs from the equation.
How much is this dive technical?
None, a little bit, definite technical, very technical.

70' 45 minutes on air
HP100 + AL40 pony
GF 100/100

Deco:
* 7 min @ 10'
Gas used: 62 cuft with .4 SAC
Minimum gas (based on 4.0xSAC/+4min@70ft): 43cuft/1,454psi/Δ:-24psi (for main tank)

:)
Very silly that dive in clear warm water at a known site could be totally different than if it was made in poor vis under tough conditions at a completely unknown site. And even then its not technical in the least to a diver thats has made similar or more complex dives, but could be very daunting to an inexperienced diver, you can't ignore the experience of individual divers. thats why calling dives rec or tech is nonsense. the entire rec tech idea is a money making gimmick.
 
Two things are clear about tech diving: you plan your dive, and you have the necessary redundancy.
These are also true about deep recreational dives, for responsible divers.

Very silly that dive in clear warm water at a known site could be totally different than if it was made in poor vis under tough conditions at a completely unknown site. And even then its not technical in the least to a diver thats has made similar or more complex dives, but could be very daunting to an inexperienced diver, you can't ignore the experience of individual divers. thats why calling dives rec or tech is nonsense. the entire rec tech idea is a money making gimmick.
Let us say nice tropical, warm, clear, no current, hard bottom, nice ascent slope/wall, calm surface for a trained responsible deep diver.
None, approaching, a little, definitely, or very technical?
 
These are also true about deep recreational dives, for responsible divers.
Of course. What is your point? Tech diving uses a regulator; so does a 20ft dive on a reef. so what?
Saying a tech dive is planned and has redundancy does not exclude other kinds of diving from having those attributes. My point is that a tech dive MUST be planned and have the necessary redundancy.
 
My point is that a tech dive MUST be planned and have the necessary redundancy.
And a deep dive to NDL limit at 130' doesn't? Or shouldn't?
(and I'd argue jumping in with two Shearwater dive comps will get you a long way, if that is how you want to roll.)
 

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