Weighting,Stupid Question !!!!

[NOVIZWHIZ]

Not at all ... I did it twice yesterday, in fact, before boarding an inflatable. In a standard DIR rig you clip your rig to the tether line, release your waist strap, and release the crotch strap. The weight belt then comes off just as easily as it would for any other rig.

So you just added two more steps to a simple belt removal...clip belt to tag line, flip quick release...

now wait..you're saying you release the crotch strap and belly band on your tank and BC?...then pull of the blet?

 

[jonnythan]

Please re-read what you just wrote - "evaluate failure modes to the fullest extent possible and train around them"...one more time -my point is, you leave the belt outside the crotch strap in case you, for ANY reason, at ANY depth need to ditch.

Accidental loss of the weight belt is a much more real and more deadly concern.

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

On my friend with epilepsy.....some of you continue to read what you want, not what I say ...again my point was he had his FIRST seizure with no warning...if it had happened underwater at 30 ft (average dive depth for us) doubt he would have suffered any injury...

Hmmm ... if it was his first seizure, and it occured with no warning, what makes you believe he would've thought to release his weight belt in any event, even if it was easily ditchable? Many people have died of "lead poisoning" simply because it never occurred to them to release their weights.

Since ditching weights isn't a skill you regularly practice, it usually takes some conscious thought to even consider doing it.

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[Soggy]

On my friend with epilepsy.....some of you continue to read what you want, not what I say ...again my point was he had his FIRST seizure with no warning...if it had happened underwater at 30 ft (average dive depth for us) doubt he would have suffered any injury...

You need to reread what I wrote. An ascent during a seizure underwater will result in an air embolism and almost certain death. This is as true in 10 ft of water as it is in 100 ft.

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

So you just added two more steps to a simple belt removal...clip belt to tag line, flip quick release...

now wait..you're saying you release the crotch strap and belly band on your tank and BC?...then pull of the blet?

You asked a question, I answered it. If you don't want to dive this way, nobody's saying you have to. However, it would be presumptuous to assume that those of us who do haven't considered the safety aspects of our configuration. In fact, we've put a lot of thought into it, and practiced the skills required to make sure we can do it.

Can you say the same? If you're relying on ditching weights to get your butt out of a bad situation, then I'd hazard the answer is no ... because dropping weight belts isn't something that you'd be wanting to practice on a regular basis.

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[NOVIZWHIZ]

Where do you people get this stuff?...obviously not from MY posts. Yes I can say the same...I've been diving for a loo-oong time. BTW, we dive in no viz, absolutely black sometimes...don't EVEN carry lights (too much suspended sediment...can't see your gas guage). You keep putting words into my mouth ...never said that I rely ONLY ditching weights to get out of a bad situation...just that if all else fails I have the ability to ditch...IF I NEED TO! You don't...You ever seen a diver struggling to get to the surface with his wt belt dangling from his crotch strap because he dumped it and it fowled...I have. Now you're judging me by saying I haven't thought out what I believe is best for the kind of diving I do? You don't know me or what kind of diving I do. My training in the 70's required that you be able to ditch your belt if needed...we were trained to drop the belts...it was pounded into our head -wt belt the last to go on, first to come off. PS - i've never had an accidental belt drop....but that doesn't mean it can't happen. I acknowledge that fact...you guys seem to think that because you're so highly trained and have thought out the possibilities that bad stuff ain't gonna happen to you...guess what?... stuff happens and no matter how well trained or well prepared you THINK you are....you can have every possible eventuality covered and it still won't be enough.

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

Where do you people get this stuff?...obviously not from MY posts. Yes I can say the same...I've been diving for a loo-oong time. BTW, we dive in no viz, absolutely black sometimes...don't EVEN carry lights (too much suspended sediment...can't see your gas guage). You keep putting words into my mouth ...never said that I rely ONLY ditching weights to get out of a bad situation...just that if all else fails I have the ability to ditch...IF I NEED TO! You don't...You ever seen a diver struggling to get to the surface with his wt belt dangling from his crotch strap because he dumped it and it fowled...I have. Now you're judging me by saying I haven't thought out what I believe is best for the kind of diving I do? You don't know me or what kind of diving I do. My training in the 70's required that you be able to ditch your belt if needed...we were trained to drop the belts...it was pounded into our head -wt belt the last to go on, first to come off. PS - i've never had an accidental belt drop....but that doesn't mean it can't happen. I acknowledge that fact...you guys seem to think that because you're so highly trained and have thought out the possibilities that bad stuff ain't gonna happen to you...guess what?... stuff happens and no matter how well trained or well prepared you THINK you are....you can have every possible eventuality covered and it still won't be enough.

Then the obvious question I have is why are you posting your responses in this forum?

Did you perhaps miss the rules of engagement? If so, please read them ... pay particular attention to the final one (6).

http://scubaboard.com/t43458-welcome_to_our_new_dir_forum.html

You're free to dive in any way you like, under any conditions you like. This forum isn't the appropriate place to talk about diving buddyless, in conditions where you can't even read your gauges, or in non-DIR configurations.

6) The answers in this forum are member's best attempts to answer questions within, and according the DIR diving philosophy. If you wish to give a non-DIR answer, please do not post it in this forum. If you do not wish your question to be limited to DIR answer, please ask it in another applicable forum

Please use this forum for its intended purpose. That's not to say that your responses are invalid or unappreciated ... only that this isn't the place for the type of responses you're posting.

Thank you ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[novadiver]

Where do you people get this stuff?...obviously not from MY posts. Yes I can say the same...I've been diving for a loo-oong time. BTW, we dive in no viz, absolutely black sometimes...don't EVEN carry lights (too much suspended sediment...can't see your gas guage). You keep putting words into my mouth ...never said that I rely ONLY ditching weights to get out of a bad situation...just that if all else fails I have the ability to ditch...IF I NEED TO! You don't...You ever seen a diver struggling to get to the surface with his wt belt dangling from his crotch strap because he dumped it and it fowled...I have. Now you're judging me by saying I haven't thought out what I believe is best for the kind of diving I do? You don't know me or what kind of diving I do. My training in the 70's required that you be able to ditch your belt if needed...we were trained to drop the belts...it was pounded into our head -wt belt the last to go on, first to come off. PS - i've never had an accidental belt drop....but that doesn't mean it can't happen. I acknowledge that fact...you guys seem to think that because you're so highly trained and have thought out the possibilities that bad stuff ain't gonna happen to you...guess what?... stuff happens and no matter how well trained or well prepared you THINK you are....you can have every possible eventuality covered and it still won't be enough.

Noviz, Chill out, these people really do dive. and their dir training is thought out to avoid bad situations. I was trained to put the weight belt on last also.( I think they teach all new divers this) But I waer it under my crotch strap now because that's the way I like it. Dropping weight just isn't the answer when your in a ship, cave or have deco obligations. And being well trained has very little to do with living if the hand of god is holding your head underwater!

 

[jonnythan]

Noviz, Chill out, these people really do dive. and their dir training is thought out to avoid bad situations. I was trained to put the weight belt on last also.( I think they teach all new divers this) But I waer it under my crotch strap now because that's the way I like it. Dropping weight just isn't the answer when your in a ship, cave or have deco obligations. And being well trained has very little to do with living if the hand of god is holding your head underwater!

I can *hear* the fires of the netherworld sizzling out.

 

[novadiver]

I can *hear* the fires of the netherworld sizzling out.

If you can hear the flames, your to close to the fire. LOL