VIP mandated tank destruction ??

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In Canada the hydro station is required to keep writen records of the testing. As our laws are supposed to marry up with US DOT regulations then I would like to hazzard a guess that your hydro station would have a record that it passed the VIP. The hydro stations up here are legally required to do a visual at the time of hydro. The anual visual inspection is an industry standard for recreational cylinders.
 
william,

I will be more than happy to provide you with documentation used by PSI--Professional Scuba Inspectors that details the steps we go through to condemn a cylinder.

I am a PSI Visual Cylinder Inspector Trainer #111.

If the shop you use proposes that they are PSI inspectors and do not provide you with a detailed report showing that they followed the standard 18 Step Protocol, I will be more than happy to discuss this with Bill High, President of PSI tomorrow during DEMA.

I can be reached this evening at 614-638-0432 if I can answer any questions for you.

C_C

COVCI
Central Ohio Visual Cylinder Inspections
 
Under the DOT regs, the shop is supposed to obliterate the tank markings with a chisel or maybe stamp the tank condemned. That's all. They are NOT allowed to destroy in any way, by holing, chiseling the threads, far less confiscate it, because the tank remains your property - actually, as an individual you are still allowed to privately fill and use it as long as it isn't entered into commerce, inadvisable as it might be.

The exception is if you've signed a waiver before hand in which you give them permission to deactivate or keep the tank.

The other reason for not destroying tanks on the basis of a visual (as opposed to a hydro) is that the visual is so subjective that the customer ought to have the option of a second opinion - there's a lot of gray area.

Sure sounds to me like they screwed up and are trying to cover up. BTW, if you don't want to get into lawyers, you might just document the incident and file a complaint with the DOT enforcement people. Don't have the address handy but can dig it up when I'm back from DEMA. Might make him regret his high handed ways.

Oh, and post the shop's name.
 
...or if you didn't sign a release call the police, report the cylinder stolen and tell them that a crazed guy at the dive shop grabbed your cylinder and refused to give it back. :)

On a serious note, this is a pretty disturbing situation - I can't believe that someone who is supposed to be a professional and a businessman would act like this. I tend to agree with everyone above, he screwed something up and is trying to cover it.
 
thanks for all the input....I did take the tank to a lds 'down the road ' for a second opinion and pointed out the rust 'spots' that Copelands said failed the tank...the second lds said the spots weren't that bad and tumbling should clean it all up nicely...the booger here is my pockets aren't deep-enuff for a legal assault and legal fees aren't recoverable in texas for a civil case,so...unless i can show a preponderance of evidence of 'wrong doing' in small claims court Mr. Copeland 'wins'.Oh..BTW as the second lds is just getting started he asked not be involved in any legal ' head-butting '.
 
william once bubbled...
unless i can show a preponderance of evidence of 'wrong doing' in small claims court Mr. Copeland 'wins'.
Wm. ... ruining your tank is 'wrong doing'! The other LDS is short sighted in not wanting to help you here imo. Go to a fire extinquisher shop and get an opinion... go to another city if you need to. And send me the name and address of the shop that messed up your tank.
 
I understand that your pockets might not be deep enough, but maybe the threat of legal proceedings would be all that is required. I'm sure this owner does not want to go to court, and if you present him with your evidence, he will probably just replace your tank. It will cost less for him in the long run to stay out of the courts too. Just a thought.

Thomas
 
The value of a cylinder would put this in small claims court regardless, meaning that the only cost you would incur is your time in gathering evidence and going to court. And as drizzt117 suggested, if you do part 1 and confront Mr. Copeland, then part 2 will probably never need to happen. Good luck.

Rick
 
...thanks moderators.. :rolleyes:

Here was the post I was typing when I got mod'ded:

I shouldn't have speculated and will go back and edit that post now that you mention it...you could call them up and tell them you need a visual on a tank but you are afraid it might not pass...ask them what their policy on that is...
 
...we don't want to speculate and needlessly cause harm to the reputation of the innocent.

So until we hear specifically from William let's leave off googling around :wink:
 

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