Using A Long Hose Isn't Just For Tech Divers

[MASS-Diver]

You know a really easy way to share air? Clip a 30cuft pony off and do away with the other second stage. You can pass it off to the OOA diver and not worry about getting tangled or staying too close to them. It will also give you a totally redundant souce of breathing gas.

Jeez, I'm glad I'm not your buddy. You must dive with people that either do not trust or do not like (or both). If my buddy is out of gas I want to give him or her a reg that I know is working right now - they need gas, they don't need me messing around trying to unclip some mickey mouse rigged pony or other make-shift rig. I'm not really scared about "being too close" to my buddy like you are - I've trained with this person, we have practiced sharing gas, it's second nature. I don't need to throw a tank at them and swim away in fear that they will attack me in a panic.

 

[novadiver]

If I've got a diver with me who's still panicking even with my air source in his mouth and kicking like hell for the surface then the last place I want him is anywhere near me especially with a death grip on me. I'll take the "insurance distance" of the long hose. That way if he's in danger of rocketing us both to the surface I have a much better chance of controlling my own ascent even if it comes down to having to yank the reg out of his mouth by the hose.

In the rescue class they teach you how to dump a paniced divers BCD. you can't do that from seven feet away. much less get behind them , hold their valve ( don't want them touching you) and controll all ascent.


I might add that for a paniced diver wedivebc technique works better. hand them a pony and let them roll

 

[Corigan]

that would be the differance. you were trained to us and stow it. you didn't get advice from SB and then route it wrong, making it a danger to you and everyone around you.

Actually my class instructor had no concept of a 7' hose or a body wrap. I can thank scubaboard for that. Luckily it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out how to wrap a hose from all the descriptions and photos out there.

Point number two: a paniced dive comes from the high left and strips the reg from your mouth and pulls. BOOM your SOL with a paniced diver choking and dragging you to the surface.

If this scenario occured it would be pulling at the back of my neck and not at my throat choking me. Also if they tried to snatch a reg in that position it wouldn't give them much slack and they wouldn't have a chance to even get a breath off of it.

Just because you have a 7' hose doesn't mean you can't maintain close contact, or even come up from behind a panicked diver and cradle his tank. You could be behind the diver, cradling his tank, him breathing from your 7' hose, while you are dumping his BC and maintaining safety.

So Anyways, I take it you haven't dove with a 7' hose?

Matt

 

[wedivebc]

Jeez, I'm glad I'm not your buddy. You must dive with people that either do not trust or do not like (or both). If my buddy is out of gas I want to give him or her a reg that I know is working right now - they need gas, they don't need me messing around trying to unclip some mickey mouse rigged pony or other make-shift rig. I'm not really scared about "being too close" to my buddy like you are - I've trained with this person, we have practiced sharing gas, it's second nature. I don't need to throw a tank at them and swim away in fear that they will attack me in a panic.

Did you read the above post about the paniced OOA diver kicking his way to the top? I can tell you it is not that uncommon. I am not sure why unclipping a pony would be anymore difficult than a gas shutdown, or any other skill we practice frequently. Why do you assume my pony in "mickey mouse rigged" ?
You are jumping to conclusions that are not in evidence.

 

[novadiver]

Actually my class instructor had no concept of a 7' hose or a body wrap. I can thank scubaboard for that. Luckily it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out how to wrap a hose from all the descriptions and photos out there.



If this scenario occured it would be pulling at the back of my neck and not at my throat choking me. Also if they tried to snatch a reg in that position it wouldn't give them much slack and they wouldn't have a chance to even get a breath off of it.

So Anyways, I take it you haven't dove with a 7' hose?

Matt

Your instuctor had no concept of a seven foot hose ? Find a real instructor! You learned this on Scubaboard? I'm just shaking my head at that one, good luck and try not to learn everything here , Take a class from a qualified instructor, instead of a scubaboard junkie

 

[novadiver]

Did you read the above post about the paniced OOA diver kicking his way to the top? I can tell you it is not that uncommon. I am not sure why unclipping a pony would be anymore difficult than a gas shutdown, or any other skill we practice frequently. Why do you assume my pony in "mickey mouse rigged" ?
You are jumping to conclusions that are not in evidence.

I'd dive with you any day of the week. at least you have been there and done that.If you know what I mean

 

[lamont]

This is the reason to research a little history on the long hose, In short, the primary long hose is used for ooa divers in no viz. that way the donor diver can feel the ooa diver feeling for his head and be ready to donate gas. second, the long hose is used to bring two divers through a restriction when they cannot swim side by side. as you can see, an ooa diver in good viz can use a short hose to breath from because training dictates that that diver grab your shoulder harness for the ascent. In less your diving with a buddy with seven foot arms the long hose is not needed or you are diving beyond your cert level.

If you get your training from a " fashion show training org." you probably don't know the reasons behind the gear. At that point, your at risk.

We're all forgetting about a couple other issues that the long hose solves (and novadiver has apparently never learned them).

The long hose is the ultimate solution to the problems of trying to tie off your octopus in such a way that whatever "breakaway" you've got as a holder doesn't break away when you don't want it to and breaks away when you do. Your mouth is the ultimate breakaway. You're going to notice *immediately* if the long hose gets snagged and ripped out of your mouth, and all you have to do to donate is open your mouth. This lets you put the short backup reg on a necklace where it is not going to get entagled and needs no breakaways. The long hose completely eliminates the possibility that you'll need a second reg and won't be able to find it. That is the whole reason why you donate the primary. If restrictions were the only consideration behind the 7' hose, then you could just breathe off your necklace and hook the long hose to a breakaway, but the long hose isn't configured that way for a reason.

Also, with the backup hanging right below your chin, it makes dealing with a regulator kicked out of your mouth really trivial which rec divers should appreciate as well. The first time I started to really appreciate the long hose was the first time I got my primary kicked out of my mouth.

 

[Corigan]

Your instuctor had no concept of a seven foot hose ? Find a real instructor! You learned this on Scubaboard? I'm just shaking my head at that one, good luck and try not to learn everything here , Take a class from a qualified instructor, instead of scubaboard junkie

Way to avoid my question. Anyhow, just because a guy isn't fluent in the way of DIR/hog rig body wraps and technical setups doesn't mean he is a bad instructor. Many people that are great Open Water and recreational divers/instructors don't feel the need to bother themselves with technical rigs (Such as yourself). There are more than one way to do things. I prefer 7' hoses for the benefits that they pose. Some people just like to shoot down things that they don't use. I don't look down on people because they don't use a 7' hose. I however find the 7' fits my diving style, and I don't find it a hassle or a hazard to dive with. Besides, down the road I plan on moving into the realm of technical diving, I might as well get used to long hoses now.

Assuming that I didn't take a class from a qualified instructor, lol. Assumptions have killed many people, assume nothing..

Matt

 

[The Kraken]

Hey, Matt,
How many of us Loonies are diving a long hose?

 

[novadiver]

We're all forgetting about a couple other issues that the long hose solves (and novadiver has apparently never learned them).

The long hose is the ultimate solution to the problems of trying to tie off your octopus in such a way that whatever "breakaway" you've got as a holder doesn't break away when you don't want it to and breaks away when you do. Your mouth is the ultimate breakaway. You're going to notice *immediately* if the long hose gets snagged and ripped out of your mouth, and all you have to do to donate is open your mouth. This lets you put the short backup reg on a necklace where it is not going to get entagled and needs no breakaways. The long hose completely eliminates the possibility that you'll need a second reg and won't be able to find it. That is the whole reason why you donate the primary. If restrictions were the only consideration behind the 7' hose, then you could just breathe off your necklace and hook the long hose to a breakaway, but the long hose isn't configured that way for a reason.

Also, with the backup hanging right below your chin, it makes dealing with a regulator kicked out of your mouth really trivial which rec divers should appreciate as well. The first time I started to really appreciate the long hose was the first time I got my primary kicked out of my mouth.

I liked the part about (nova has apparently never learned) that's a hoot. first , the long hose is not a fashion statement . second you have no clue about why the backup reg is on a neckless. example , I ounce saved a diver because as he and his buddy decended, He was behind his dive buddy and his backup was dangling behind him.( no biggy there) except that his back up reg was an apeks and was freeflowing like there was no tomarrow. I watched long enough to know what was coming next. That's right, a diver bone dry of gas at 90 feet and a dive buddy that didn't have a clue. I swam up behind him and offered my long hose. I then took him to his buddy and made his buddy share gas . then I left them to there own ascent and continued on my solo way. all things concidered, It came off well. but the lesson is ( know were your regs are at all times) and be able to find them when you need them