Trimix in 100 dives

[siikik]

I would say that the a diver knows himself and his abilities the best, and thus is the most qualified to decide when and what advancements he should make. But remember, there is a fine line between confidence and arrogance.


Ken

 

[JeffG]

I would say that the a diver knows himself and his abilities the best, and thus is the most qualified to decide when and what advancements he should make. But remember, there is a fine line between confidence and arrogance.


Ken

Typically they are the worst qualified to decide, but bear the ultimate responsibility.

 

[jtivat]

My post had nothing to do with comprehension. I don't know why you interpreted it as if I was correcting you. I was just pointing out that there is a discrepancy between the Title and the Post, and since your reply included specific mention of rec 'triox' as opposed to hypoxic 'trimix', I thought I'd point it out in case you wanted to clarify your point.

You did, and I tend to agree.

Well for further clarification the post was really more about people jumping on others for wanting to go tech early. The title was to get there attention and the story was an example that I experienced personally. I agree that 99.9% of the people out there would not be ready that soon, but that does not mean they should not start down the path.

I will jump in the water with just about anyone by looking at their configuration and talking briefly with them. I will also jump in the water on deep tech dive alone. Like Doug said you should rely on yourself not others. My main concern with diving with buddy’s that do not have a clue is that they will kill themselves not me. It makes me wonder when someone need this supper buddy to do a dive??

 

[nereas]

...I will jump in the water with just about anyone by looking at their configuration and talking briefly with them. I will also jump in the water on deep tech dive alone. Like Doug said you should rely on yourself not others. My main concern with diving with buddy’s that do not have a clue is that they will kill themselves not me. It makes me wonder when someone need this supper buddy to do a dive??

You live in a state with some of the best trained divers in the world, ala cold waters. I am sure your associates are normally self sufficient. I did not surmise that self-sufficiency was an issue. More like, reliability, based on experience.

100 dives is really on the low end of experience. This kind of person would be untested, most likely, and therefore a wild card.

 

[Thalassamania]

I want to add that "experience" is relative to the situation. If an OOG situation occurs, a student probably has more recent experience in dealing with the situation. I was entering Upper Orange Grove with two highly experienced technical divers when I had a problem with a primary regulator that was hitting the water for the first time after being rebuilt. As I flashed "Emergency" with the light, the first diver who was incredibly experienced with advanced trimix dives, rebreather dives, and sidemount dives could only look dumbfoundedly at the reel in his hand since he was so focused on completing a tie-off. The second diver was so intent on shooting video that he was waiting for the first diver to act so he could film it. Yet, if I pull an OOG on my students soon after a course I'll get an immediate action of regulator donation.

I can see the truth in what you say ... but (isn't there alway a but?) ... why are you diving with two divers whom you've not drilled with? I never have, never would, never will. It's perhaps the only good advice that George gave: "don't dive with ..." In my book, regardless of past experience, anyone who's response to an emergency signal is to be dumbfounded meets the defintion. The problem with students (or less expereinced divers) is that while they will respond to requests just fine, they lack the SA to see trouble coming and either head it off or be ready for it.

In some situations such as troubleshooting a rebreather at depth, a rebreather student might not be as insightful as an experienced rebreather diver who has developed a real feel for the unit and the problems and idiosynracies. In that case, an experienced diver may be the best buddy.

Yes.

When it comes to navigating a dive site such as a shipwreck and running a dive profile that will yield the most exploration with the greatest amount of time, the diver with the most experience diving that wreck regardless of total experience may often be the best leader.

Individual roles within a team are a different question.

Choosing the right buddy depends upon the scenario, the environment and the dive factors. When it comes to training, I'd feel pretty comfortable at 200 feet with a GUE Tech 2 diver at 100 dives and with 100 dives it is possible to be a Tech 2 diver.

There we part ways, my comfort level with a team member has nothing to do with the cards in his or her wallet.

I know the quality of training the diver needed to reach that level and I know the diver is procedurally proficient. Diving with an IANTD or TDI diver with 100 dives at 200 feet would only be comfortable if I knew the instructor who trained the diver. This is because of GUE's quality control for a normal diver. However, I know TDI and IANTD instructors who produce truly exceptional students.

Knowledge of the instructor means a lot more more.

 

[Gombessa]

It's perhaps the only good advice that George gave: "don't dive with ..."

Hi Thal,

I'm sitting here stroking my temples wondering why you didn't finish your thought. Don't dive with who? I've tried stoking the fires of my imagination but I can't for the life of me surmise who we shouldn't dive with...oh well, maybe I'll have an epiphany, or by some stroke of luck figure out what you mean. Google don't fail me now!

 

[Thalassamania]

"strokes."

 

[Blackwood]

oh well, maybe I'll have an epiphany, or by some stroke of luck figure out what you mean.

heh..

 

[nereas]

Hi Thal,

I'm sitting here stroking my temples wondering why you didn't finish your thought. Don't dive with who? I've tried stoking the fires of my imagination but I can't for the life of me surmise who we shouldn't dive with...oh well, maybe I'll have an epiphany, or by some stroke of luck figure out what you mean. Google don't fail me now!

Ask not for whom the bell tolls; for it may toll for thee. Especially with those spit fins of yours.

Split fins are normally the first clue that someone does not know anything about gear.

 

[Gombessa]

Ask not for whom the bell tolls; for it may toll for thee. Especially with those spit fins of yours.

Split fins are normally the first clue that someone does not know anything about gear.

Holy carp Nereas did you just rag on my full foot splits?!! That's SO uncalled for. For shame sir. FOR SHAME.