Throw away your Explorer - the Halcyon Evolve is here

[KOMPRESSOR]

KOMPRESSOR,

Check out the link above...those fellas seem to be using the 38# double wing with PST 130s and 2 Al40 decos.

Like I said...I haven't personally seen their double wings...just heard the rumors. I will say, IMHO, the Agir single does indeed blow away the Eclipse! Now I'm not saying the Eclipse is bad...I know lots of folks that love 'em...but in my book, if one is looking for a inner bladder/outer shell single wing, then you would do well to consider products from Agir, DSS, or Oxy.

The old Pioneer, of course, is still my favorite one layer wing. It's a work of art! I guess if I were to buy a new one, though, I might have to at least think about replacing the inflator.

I have to admit, I haven't got a clue what "PST 130's" means, since my head is screwed on metric I suppose they are steel?...

I already have an Eclipse, and will continue to use it for most of my future diving. But I'm signed up for a Nitrox course, and for Nitrox I want a set of doubles. For those long or repetitive dives.

Not a bad word about Agir. Not one... I just don't see they are any better than Halcyon. Maybe perhaps except the inflator... The Agir 38 is soooo minimal it's just not for me. A slim 50 would make me feel comfy, but there are none. That's why the Evolve 40 turns me on, but I want to see it besides todays Explorer before I hit on it. And I wish it was a 45-50 something instead....

 

[GreenDiverDown]

I was just tossing out some ideas. I thought, perhaps, you didn't know about Agir...and they seem to be well repected in your part of the world. But I see that you have thought this over carefully. My bad.

 

[KOMPRESSOR]

I was just tossing out some ideas. I thought, perhaps, you didn't know about Agir...and they seem to be well repected in your part of the world. But I see that you have thought this over carefully. My bad.

No bad at all my friend

There are plenty of choices for all of us out there, and we can't choose the same. That would be booring, wouldn't it?

Here's another beauty:

Dir Zone. German made I think.

 

[JeffG]

I'd love to know what's so great about the Agir wings that they blow the Explorer away..

They come in Blue

 

[Scubaroo]

I can't believe all those other companies already announced donut doubles wings!

Do you really think that DSS and OxyCheq announced new products just to play "catch-up" with Halcyon? It's just a matter of the timing of announcements - DEMA is on - it's "new product" season. There's photos of each new wing in circulation - do you think they are something that can be just whipped up in an afternoon so everyone else can say "we have one too!"??? I know how many months the OxyCheq one has been in development.

My gut feel is that since Halcyon isn't showing at DEMA this year (AFAIK), they've made an announcement a few weeks before the show to be "first to market". Straightforward marketing. I reckon if Halcyon hadn't made a pre-DEMA announcement, we would only just be hearing about all three wings this week while DEMA is underway.

 

[KOMPRESSOR]

Would you care to share some pics with us? I can't find the new Oxycheq anywhere...

 

[Scubaroo]

Would you care to share some pics with us? I can't find the new Oxycheq anywhere...

http://www.oxycheq.com/Wings-RazorDouble.html

Prior to production, this wing design was tested for over six months by Bill "Hogarth" Main. He had nothing but praise for this wing design and dives this wing today.

I guess that makes it genuine Hogarthian

The original standard bladderless singles wings have also been renamed Razor.

 

[grouchyturtle]

Why all the baching of the Halcyon inflator?

I actually even had one of the ones that failed, during a dive, but as far as I know they fixed the problem, and replaced all the defective ones with the recall.

It's hard to tell from the picture, but I think the 30# Eclipse is a little more streamlined than that Agir single tank wing.

And no, I'm not a Halcyon *****. I had no idea who Halcyon even was before I bought my first wing, but as some one stated earlier, they make quality gear...it's that simple. Not to say I don't hav plenty of gear from other manufacturers too.

 

[KOMPRESSOR]

It's hard to tell from the picture, but I think the 30# Eclipse is a little more streamlined than that Agir single tank wing.

Yes, it's exactly 6 lbs more streamlined.... 36 - 30 = 6!

Although I would say you're not able to judge much from a picture, here is the Blackbird 36:

 

[GreenDiverDown]

Why all the baching of the Halcyon inflator?
I actually even had one of the ones that failed, during a dive, but as far as I know they fixed the problem, and replaced all the defective ones with the recall.

I know of too many guys having problems with the post recall units that I think I would just change it out to a different inflator...for peace of mind, if nothing else.

It's hard to tell from the picture, but I think the 30# Eclipse is a little more streamlined than that Agir single tank wing.

I don't think so...although I'm not positive. I have compared them side by side but, I admit I didn't have time to do that comparison as carefully as I would have liked. They seemed the same size but the outer shell of the Agir appears significantly thicker and more durable. At the time, the Eclipse wings were all on plates and were being used in and out of the pool...so I had just a short time to pair 'em up.

I do, however, own a Pioneer 27# wing and have taken the time to closely compare it to the Agir. In doing so, I noticed that they have almost the exact same profile and are almost the same size. If you put them down on top of each other they match up almost perfectly. They do have slightly different lift...about five pounds more for the Agir. (This I measured...I'm not just going by the specs.)