Throw away your Explorer - the Halcyon Evolve is here

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grunzster:
Hmm...a lot of what Tobin said makes sense but all I know is "I love my Eclipse!"

The valve on my drysuit is in a position that it almost dumps its self when ascending even without being slightly head up,

I know it may sound like I'm nit-picking, but I never said head up, just not butt first. Without "butt-dumps" installed ascending butt first won't be pretty as far as the DS goes.

My point about being horizontal (to vent the DS) is even more valid with a doubles wing. In doubles the tanks are MUCH closer to the diver, and the wing has to expand beyond the out line of the plate, not between the tank and plate as is possible with a narrow singles wing.

If a doubles wing has to expand outboard of the plate outline, and lower end of the tanks almost touch your butt, how "head down" do you need to be before the connection at the bottom of the wing is higher than the top arc of the wing?

A full circle wing does offer an advantage, but it is not as great as some might have you believe.


Tobin
 
cool_hardware52:
<.....A full circle wing does offer an advantage, but it is not as great as some might have you believe.

Tobin


Well, if nothing else, this one sure isn't as wide as some horseshoe wings I know! In my opinion THAT'S an advantage.


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All I'm concerned about is wether a 40 will be sufficiant for a double steel 12 Litres (2x80's 3300 psi), since the next size is 60 and I don't need a boat on my back... (Why don't they make a 50 just for me?!)
 
KOMPRESSOR:
All I'm concerned about is wether a 40 will be sufficiant for a double steel 12 Litres (2x80's 3300 psi), since the next size is 60 and I don't need a boat on my back... (Why don't they make a 50 just for me?!)

Why would you even consider Halcyon when these are right next door?

http://www.agir.se/

Rumor has it they blow away the Explorer...
 
Some people, myself included, have trouble spending hundreds of dollars based on rumors. Maybe I'll see some Agirs around since it's very close to me, but as yet, I've not heard from a single person who has them and uses them in the US.

Stephen, why all the hatred toward Halcyon? I buy quality gear from anyone and could care less about the "brand".

Stephen Ash:
Why would you even consider Halcyon when these are right next door?

http://www.agir.se/

Rumor has it they blow away the Explorer...
 
Stephen Ash:
Why would you even consider Halcyon when these are right next door?

http://www.agir.se/

Rumor has it they blow away the Explorer...
Well, they're the same price, and Agir has no customer service presence int he US whatsoever, whereas Halcyon has built a pretty good reputation out of treating the customer well and taking care of problems.

I'd love to know what's so great about the Agir wings that they blow the Explorer away..
 
PerroneFord:
Some people, myself included, have trouble spending hundreds of dollars based on rumors. Maybe I'll see some Agirs around since it's very close to me, but as yet, I've not heard from a single person who has them and uses them in the US.

Stephen, why all the hatred toward Halcyon? I buy quality gear from anyone and could care less about the "brand".

First off, I have no "hatred" for Halcyon. I use a ton their gear and have done my share to keep places like EE and 5thD alive and well:

An 18# batwing pioneer...beautiful...nothing better for 'light' diving.

A 27# Pioneer...old style...no built in STA. I use this one all the time...it's fantastic. I love how it folds up to next to nothing...great for traveling...small profile in the water...so easy to vent...no air trapping...love it!

A 45# Explorer. Fantastic for my little Al80 doubs.

A SS and an Al plate and 2 STAa with the killer cam bands and SS buckles...love 'em.

At least a half a dozen or more of their harnesses, hardware and crotch straps rigged on a variety of plates.

2 manifolds...great!

A 80# closed lift bag. I need to get their semi-closed.

A pair of older scouts...never flooded...they're perfect.

4 cam band trim pockets...very nice...although one, after much use, is beginning to come apart. These are great for single tank drysuit use.

A set of those 20# ACB weight pockets...hardly ever use 'em...but nice quality, nevertheless.

Gators...don't need 'em anymore...but still, very nice.

A couple sets of spring straps...hybrids...mixed and matched with other makes. they're great.

A bazzilion hoses...some deco and stage slings...a few spools...all very nice!

A pair of their little SPGs. Nice...not as nice as my Master Diver SPGs but still very nice.

The list goes on and on....and I can't think of anything that I have from them that isn't top notch...or anything that I've had problems with.

...so...I don't hate Halcyon by any means!

But...there are some products out there that are, indeed, better than Halcyon and I won't hesitate to recommend them and Agir is one... as is DSS and Oxycheq. I don't have the Agir doubles wing but I have heard some very positive things from people who have ditched their explorer in favor of these. I do have a singles Agir and have compared it side by side with the Eclipse. No contest...Agir is better...hands down. It has almost the exact same profile , so it is very streamlined. But, it has a better inner bladder, a better outer shell...and a trustworthy inflator. It is quite nice...perhaps the best I've seen. I only have a few dives on it...so I can't yet give it an A plus, but so far it seems to dive very nicely.

If the quality of the Agir double is as good as their single, I would definitely prefer it over the larger Explorer wings.

Besides...I thought that KOMPRESSOR was from Norway...isn't that just around the corner from Sweden? I thought that he might like a more "local" product.
 
jonnythan:
Well, they're the same price, and Agir has no customer service presence int he US whatsoever, whereas Halcyon has built a pretty good reputation out of treating the customer well and taking care of problems.

I'd love to know what's so great about the Agir wings that they blow the Explorer away..

As far as their doubles, Jonnythan, I can't personally say. As far as their single wing is concerned I have made a few comments on it in the above post and after I get a chance to put some more mileage on it, I'll post a review. You might be interested in this, however... it is very DIR!

You've probably already seen this thread but here it is anyways...

http://thedecostop.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13492
 
Stephen Ash:
Why would you even consider Halcyon when these are right next door?

http://www.agir.se/

Rumor has it they blow away the Explorer...


Agir would be a good choice. I also know the Norwegian importer of it. The Agir is just slightly more expensive than the Halcyon wings of today, and about the same price as the coming Evolve.

Agir has a nice 36 for singles, which I found a bit undersized for my heavy steel 4500 psi tank. they have a nice and slim 38 for doubles. Again perhaps slighty to small for some when using heavy steel, but perfect for others. And they have a 50, which might be a bit wide for some.

So the Evolve 40 is perhaps my choice when getting a set of doubles next year.

Halcyon comes up pretty good with price due to low dollar. They are the largest selling brand here also, and I know it first hand as I own one already (Eclipse).

Another choice I have, which you perhaps don't, is the excellent DIR Zone Range.

So there's no clear choice, just because I live in Norway. (Which, by the way, is NOT the capitol of Sweden...) :wink:



EDIT: Agir are good wings. But "blow away" Halcyon? Hardly....
 
KOMPRESSOR,

Check out the link above...those fellas seem to be using the 38# double wing with PST 130s and 2 Al40 decos.

Like I said...I haven't personally seen their double wings...just heard the rumors. I will say, IMHO, the Agir single does indeed blow away the Eclipse! Now I'm not saying the Eclipse is bad...I know lots of folks that love 'em...but in my book, if one is looking for a inner bladder/outer shell single wing, then you would do well to consider products from Agir, DSS, or Oxy.

The old Pioneer, of course, is still my favorite one layer wing. It's a work of art! I guess if I were to buy a new one, though, I might have to at least think about replacing the inflator.
 
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