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I've got the divers, but not the advertisers.

When money is tight, if the premise that the industry is sufferring is true, it would certainly be a challenge to get manufacturers and retailers to loosen up.

My main interest in this thread began with and continues to be the apparent decline in the overall volume of divers and its effect on the manufacturers and retailers.

Thus, the problem as I see it is not the lack of advertising to divers, but the lack of divers to advertise to.

The solution as I see it, is not increased visibility in a forum such as SB to those already engaged, but the attraction of new divers through promotion of diving outside of forums that are comprised of those already engaged.

This is where the the role of DEMA has come up, and where it also apparently fails.

A website and Fa#ebook is simply not enough.

Most certainly SB is used and viewed by many people interested but not yet engaged in diving.

So if DEMA, or some other entity does not engage in mass marketing towards increasing the client base, and SB is to play the role of trumpeteer for SCUBA diving from the top to the bottom, as it may be well-positioned to do, well, the floor is open.....

The other possibility is that SCUBA diving will continue as a niche and somewhat exclusive activity and the industry will have to come to terms with the possible increase of that perception and it's effects. The manufacturers and retailers will have hard economic choices to make, in an industry without growth, that will affect us all.

A lot of questions here.
 
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I'm ready to take it to the next step, and have ScubaBoard collect that cash from all of those members. Yes, you have the divers I am looking for. Unfortunately there aren't enough of them.
Hey, I was on twice, one in Texas and once in Florida. I tried another time, but you cancelled the last trip in October 2015.
 
Why aren't they advertising? My guess is that I'm not a part of their 'Good ol' Boys club', so they won't use me. It sucks. I've got the divers, but not the advertisers.

Any chance it's because in a magazine ad you don't get backtalk, but on Scuba Board critics are ready to analyze your proposal for discussion?

Pitch Saba and mention the hiking, someone may say Dominica's bigger and has lots of jungle walk opportunities. Pitch Cobalt Coast, someone's gonna mention Ocean Frontiers. If a dive op. posts an ad about Cozumel or Bonaire, how many people will suggest using somebody else?

Scuba Board has a bunch of eye balls, but many critical eye balls, and they talk to each other.

Richard.
 
Michael... the divers have found us but the industry sees us as an annoyance. A full page ad in any magazine for one month would pay for our biggest ad for a year. More people visit ScubaBoard in a week than subscribe monthly to any magazine. We have more visitors per month than the sum of all the magazine subscriptions. Like @Wookie, I have to ask : Where are they? Why aren't they advertising? My guess is that I'm not a part of their 'Good ol' Boys club', so they won't use me. It sucks. I've got the divers, but not the advertisers.

You are definitely not part of "the good old boys club".

That is a good thing.

The newcomers, perhaps Chris @ Deep 6 Outfitters, other forward thinkers, will join and advertise.

Manufacturers, training organizations, will then follow, and benefit, by being part of the world wide community
you have created.

Every manufacturer/distributor should be part of this ongoing, active, daily, exchange of information.

Every dive store, local, regional, or national should be engaging.

The fact they are not shows, sadly, the current state of the dive industry.
 
The Spree was a very safe boat. They had a set of rules that you were expected to follow, but didn't put a DM in the water, though the dive shops usually did.

Much more careful about headcount and post dive status than any other larger boat I've been on.

The rules were basically you couldn't blow their depth max or max time and you had to be able take at least one more full breath from your regulator on the dive platform after the dive. He also didn't allow doubles on a rec trip.
 
Scuba Board has a bunch of eye balls, but many critical eye balls, and they talk to each other.

Richard.

That is a good thing. Brings credibility and discourse.

What can be bad about that?
 
Any chance
There's more good said about any destination than bad by probably 10 to 1 or better. They certainly don't get to control the dialog like in a magazine. It used to be word of mouth, now it's word of internet.

BTW, do you know what's worse than a negative comment on ScubaBoard?
No comment at all!!!
 
Not at all true in this case. They set their prices which are tagged and equivalent to almost everyone else, but if you find a better deal online, whether it's a sale or promotion they will match the price. How is that a bad thing? If you're in their shoes and someone is sitting in the store looking at a product and at the same time checking their phone online (where items and current prices are perfectly cataloged by Google revealing who has the lowest price in a matter of seconds) I would much rather capture that sale, even at a diminished profit knowing I can restock.

Sure, it makes sense if you're the shop. You capture the sale at the highest profit you can.

But, I agree with @BRT. I generally don't patronize price-matching, either. I would rather patronize the place that offers the low price without being "forced" to. By keeping them in business, I will continue to have low prices I can take advantage of. If I just use them to brow beat my local place to price match then all I'm doing is helping put the low price place out of business. And once they're gone, there's no more price matching and I'm stuck paying full retail or whatever my local shop wants to charge.

That said, there is a balancing act between that and being willing to pay extra to buy stuff from my local shop to help make sure they stay around, too.

In the end, my process is something like "if the LDS has it marked for up to 20% higher, I'll buy it at the LDS. But, if they are higher than that, I buy it from the online place. But, I don't ask the LDS to price match." As BRT said, that is just supporting their policy of charging the maximum amount that they can.

Michael... the divers have found us but the industry sees us as an annoyance. A full page ad in any magazine for one month would pay for our biggest ad for a year. More people visit ScubaBoard in a week than subscribe monthly to any magazine. We have more visitors per month than the sum of all the magazine subscriptions. Like @Wookie, I have to ask : Where are they? Why aren't they advertising? My guess is that I'm not a part of their 'Good ol' Boys club', so they won't use me. It sucks. I've got the divers, but not the advertisers.

It may be some of that, but I suspect it's also partly a general old school sentiment that print ads are worth "more" than Internet eyeballs. Combined with antipathy from the print media people towards online media.

I also suspect that there may be SOME merit to the notion that print ads are worth more than Internet eyeballs. If I'm reading a magazine and I have some interest in liveaboards and I see an ad for a liveaboard, it's not so easy to flip immediately to more info about many liveaboards, so I am more likely to really read the one ad I happen to see. But, if I'm online and something (say, an ad on a SB sidebar) sparks my interest in liveaboards, I'm much less likely to really absorb an ad about a particular liveaboard. Instead, I'm probably going to do a Google search for liveaboards and then read reviews and forum posts.

As a consumer, I genuinely feel like I'm much less influenced by online ads than by print ads on the same subjects.

As a business person, if I were trying to market a product or service, I would consider print ads, but for online marketing I would be much more inclined to engage in social media efforts and try to cultivate key influencers. If I wanted to sell BCDs, I would probably not run an ad campaign on SB. Instead, I would do some research to identify people on SB who are well respected and very active on SB and then approach them privately with a goal of getting them to use my BCD and then post good things about it.

I seem to recall some vendor (I can't even remember what the product was) a year so ago who openly solicited people to enlist in their Ambassador program. I would probably do something like that, except not be blatantly open about it. I think that backfired. When it's common knowledge that the manufacturer is doing that, suddenly every positive review of their product becomes suspect.

So, I wouldn't necessarily take it personally. Maybe you, too, are just being a little too old school in your thinking and your approach to generating revenue from SB. I think online advertising has evolved a fair bit from where it was 10 years ago.
 
Don't many products have MAP anyway?
They may. Nothing I sell does.
 
Sure, it makes sense if you're the shop. You capture the sale at the highest profit you can.

Apparently you guys aren't comprehending so if you can't understand the concept from this post, it will be my last post on the subject.

If the shop is selling a pair of DiveRite XT's with a price tag of $145 JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE, but a google search reveals XYZ dive shop on the other side of the country has them on sale for $125 and they willingly match that price, how in the world are they screwing their customers? There are signs plastered all over the shop. "We want your business. We'll match anyone's price."

I take it you guys simply don't understand how the internet has affected the small mom and pop retailers. The customer has the ability to quickly check everyone's prices from their phone and do business with them. A small mom and pop retailer doesn't have the means to check the price on every item they sell every day against the entire online marketplace.

BTW, You guys should stop shopping at Leisure Pro and DRIS, because they have a price match policy.

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