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H2Andy
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please read my posts before replying? i pointed out that for training purposes
you are correct, in post 41.
however, the question was about diving in a quarry
where he did not go into overhead, and he was wondering
if this was open water diving.
(the answer is yes, btw)
dweeb, the definition you are using doesn't make sense
outside of training. that would mean that a cave dive,
a wreck dive, and a deco dive would all be "open water" dives,
and that a holder of an "open water" c-card would be
qualified to make those dives.
please stop and think before arguing a position.
i've wasted enough time on this, so i'm going to move on.
please read my posts before replying? i pointed out that for training purposes
you are correct, in post 41.
however, the question was about diving in a quarry
where he did not go into overhead, and he was wondering
if this was open water diving.
(the answer is yes, btw)
dweeb, the definition you are using doesn't make sense
outside of training. that would mean that a cave dive,
a wreck dive, and a deco dive would all be "open water" dives,
and that a holder of an "open water" c-card would be
qualified to make those dives.
please stop and think before arguing a position.
i've wasted enough time on this, so i'm going to move on.
Sideband
Guest
miketsp:
I disagree. They are not "qualified". They are "certified", and as OW they are certified to 60' (especially on their first dive). On the last part, unless the dive operator intervenes, it is their decision, yes. Not necessarily a good one, but theirs.
I have turned down several trips and outings that I have been specifically asked to go on by my DS, because they were in the 80-90 foot range. Assurances of, "We won't let anything happen to you", did not make me feel any safer. That just gave me the feeling of a "Trust me dive".
Joe
bubble blower:
It's not the instructors job to "take" you anyplace. The instructors job is to teach you how and then supervise while you gain experience doing it.
You're qualified to do what you've done before (+ or - within reason and many divers don't go any where near 60 ft during entry level training with many barely making it off of a sandy spot or training platform in 20 ft of water.
As I see it, it's a BIG stretch to say that a new OW diver is qualified to go to 60 ft. It's a big jump from kneeling at 20 ft clearing a mask to going to 60 ft on a real dive.
Wijbrandus
Contributor
If you are a certified diver, why would you follow a DM somewhere you wouldn't go with just your buddy? You are either confident of your skills in a particular situation or you aren't. A DM present doesn't mitigate your need for safety.
If I don't feel competent to make the dive, I don't go. It wouldn't matter if the Archangel Michael were leading the dive. I have turned down dive opportunities because I haven't felt up to the implied or explicit standard that would have been required.
I'm twice as conservative now that my wife is diving and my buddy.
If I don't feel competent to make the dive, I don't go. It wouldn't matter if the Archangel Michael were leading the dive. I have turned down dive opportunities because I haven't felt up to the implied or explicit standard that would have been required.
I'm twice as conservative now that my wife is diving and my buddy.
Tiny Bubbles
Contributor
Why 60 feet anyway? It's just an arbritrary made-up number. They certified my wife and I to 60' without ever taking us there, so how did they know we were good to 60' when they gave us our cards? Don't get too hung up on the 60' thing.
-Tiny-B.
-Tiny-B.
Wijbrandus
Contributor
To add to my point, I use a DM as a guide, to show me neat stuff, and to possibly help me or my wife with our equipment should the other one be occupied.
I never see a DM as a safety device. I learned long ago that no one is more responsible for your safety than you are.
I never see a DM as a safety device. I learned long ago that no one is more responsible for your safety than you are.
the 60 ft thing is to stop the folk whos experiance is a 20 ft dive in sheltered controled conditions thinking that a 100 ft wreck is going to be easy, the depth is not the issue but the fact that the biggest majority feel O/W is the end of teaching and they need no further training as the DM will save them.Tiny Bubbles:
Tiny Bubbles:
ok, Make it 50 ft. LOL
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