Solo cert when already tech certified

[kensuf]

But in the CCR course, does that caveat exist? I dont remember any of my IANTD tech classes, including my Tech cave course stating no solo diving? Thus my point, but I have never taken a CCR class.

Team bailout is a part of CCR courses, so team dynamics come into play.

 

[jadairiii]

Team bailout is a part of CCR courses, so team dynamics come into play.

Thanks. Oddly, I do seem to see a lot of divers diving CCR's solo........but that is for a different thead.

 

[formernuke]

Team bailout is a part of CCR courses, so team dynamics come into play.

Team bailout, verification of gas mixes both diluent and BO, gear carried, sufficient gasses and sorb for planned dive plus reserve.

 

[OTF]

OC solo and CCR solo are completely different animals. Current gen CCRs by nature have failure modes that are much harder if not potentially impossible to recover solo.

I love solo diving on singles or doubles, it is my happy place, but I do not dive my CCR solo and refuse to do so until the sensing technology gets better - regardless of my level of hours or certs on the loop. That is my personal line in the sand, others here disagree and choose otherwise. My point is, think long and hard about the realities of surviving a catastrophic CCR incident alone. Do you feel you could recover solo from a bad CO2 hit or late-caught hypoxia incident?

 

[formernuke]

OC solo and CCR solo are completely different animals. Current gen CCRs by nature have failure modes that are much harder if not potentially impossible to recover solo.

I love solo diving on singles or doubles, it is my happy place, but I do not dive my CCR solo and refuse to do so until the sensing technology gets better - regardless of my level of hours or certs on the loop. That is my personal line in the sand, others here disagree and choose otherwise. My point is, think long and hard about the realities of surviving a catastrophic CCR incident alone. Do you feel you could recover solo from a bad CO2 hit or late-caught hypoxia incident?

I'm not planning on diving solo, he wants me to have the cert just because I'm on a CCR.

 

[SlugLife]

I'm thinking of a short trip later this year. Dives will be within recreational limits both depth and time wise.

The operator wants me to have a solo cert because I'll be on my CCR rather than OC. Now I'm not against taking classes and certs if it makes me a better diver or teaches new skills.

Seems to MD though that there is nothing new with a solo cert that I don't already know with AN/DP and CCR.

So hive mind, what are your thoughts? Is this guy just trying to sell me what for me is a worthless class?

There's a flagrant conflict of interest for the operator to both demand a course and offer that same course. As a good general rule, never take a class/cert from someone demanding you need that cert to do a dive. If you absolutely have to take the course for some reason, take it from someone else.

The operator wants me to have a solo cert because I'll be on my CCR rather than OC.

Getting even more specific, this is absolute nonsense. He wants you to have a solo-cert because..... you won't be diving with other CCR divers?

Seems to MD though that there is nothing new with a solo cert that I don't already know with AN/DP and CCR.

A solo-course would offer very few (almost zero) new things, that a tech-diver wouldn't know already. The only real unique thing would be that it's specifically focused on solo (or "self reliant") diving.

I'm frequently reminded of a sort of nightmare/dream I've had a few times. I'm back in school (usually HS), because apparently I was a couple classes short. Near the end of the dream, I start to remember "I have a Sr title, and work-experience at more than half a dozen companies. WTF would I need a diploma for at this stage?"

I disagree with the "just do the class" advice from several people. Do all of you have money to burn on useless dive-classes? I'd rather spend a the $200 or so on something useful, like a useful class or piece of equipment.

 

[berndo]

Current gen CCRs by nature have failure modes that are much harder if not potentially impossible to recover solo.

What failure modes do you mean?

 

[SlugLife]

Do the class. Will probably be easy peasy, but I bet the op wants it for insurance reasons. I’ve run into places that don’t care if you’re already tech/CCR trained. They need to see the solo card.

I mean sounds great until you realize the class costs money.

What I mean is that for solo diving you need some other additional capability.....

I was expecting that. But all this has not been certified for solo diving....

I don't want to give the "underwater basket-weaving cert" and "peeing in wetsuit cert" agencies any ideas, but it sounds like you're saying he needs a "solo-tech cert."

I do agree that solo diving is a little different from tech-diving. However, that list still seems redundant. Presumably you don't need a solo-cert to know how to climb a boat ladder without assistance.

If your tech instructor is teaching you to rely on team members, it’s my feeling that they are doing you a disfavor. If they are teaching you to always question, self awareness, and self reliance, they are preparing you for technical diving.

I'd even suggest, that Tech diving goes as far as teaching the ability/need to be self-reliant while also having the burden of a buddy in need of rescue (gas-planning, redundancy, etc).

If a tech-diver couldn't solo, I'd suggest they're perhaps just an open-water diver with tech-equipment.

I'm not planning on diving solo, he wants me to have the cert just because I'm on a CCR.

Is there a reason you're doing this dive CCR? What kind of dive(s) are these?

If it's me, I might consider breaking out my non-CCR equipment, or just finding another operator.

 

[formernuke]

Is there a reason you're doing this dive CCR? What kind of dive(s) are these?

If it's me, I might consider breaking out my non-CCR equipment, or just finding another operator.

I'm new to CCR and want to master it. It's harder to do that if I flip back and forth to OC. This year will be all CCR diving.

The dives would be in the 40 to 60 foot range. Any deeper than that I would go with people I know and trust and plan out a deco dive.

 

[kensuf]

I'm not planning on diving solo, he wants me to have the cert just because I'm on a CCR.

That's a pretty silly reason for him wanting you to have a solo cert.