Shadow Divers – Exposed U 869

[H2Andy]

Verdict: Shadow Divers was a travesty. Kohler and Chatterton and exploitative authors have foisted a hoax upon a gullible public.

could you give us a bullet-point list of the elements of this hoax?

inquiring minds want to know...

 

[RJP]

could you give us a bullet-point list of the elements of this hoax?

inquiring minds want to know...

- World War II never took place
- There were no U-boats
- If you descend more than 200 ft your body will be crushed by the water pressure

 

[texdiveguy]

I just finished Gentiles new book.....had to sorta skip thru some of the cr#&,,,,was a boring piece of work at best.

 

[tonka97]

Remember the climactic scene in Hitler's Lost Sub and The Shadow Divers wherein Chatterton heroically doffs his tank to pass the sub's restriction, then redoffs his gear, to gain access to the electric motor room? This was the most dramatic scene that portrayed Chatterton as an incredibly brave diver.

p. 107, Shadow Divers Exposed by Gary Gentile:
"He [Chatterton] must have been shocked to see a flashing strobe flashing that lighted the way for him!"..."Will McBeth had entered the water before the tag recovery team....In one smooth motion, he dropped down through [another] hatch...and pushed backward into the electric motor room. He did not have to remove his double tanks in order to effect this maneuver." "Forever afterward, everyone else accessed the electric motor room by means of the route that McBeth pioneered".

Did you see Will McBeth in Hitler's Lost Sub, or portrayed in Shadow Divers? No?

Shadow Divers Exposed is a Must Read for anyone that loves our sport and enjoys NON-FICTION rather than FICTION. It will require serious reading and a quest to understand what really happened.

BTW: Robert Kurson, author of Shadow Divers, had previously written ONLY "The Official Three Stooges Encyclopedia: the Ultimate Knucklehead's Guide to Stoogedom", and The Official Three Stooges Cookbook...p. 17 G. Gentile

Gary Gentile, author of "Shadow Divers Exposed", has written 30 books on shipwrecks and wreck-diving.

 

[jeffrey-c]

BTW: Robert Kurson, author of Shadow Divers, had previously written ONLY "The Official Three Stooges Encyclopedia: the Ultimate Knucklehead's Guide to Stoogedom", and The Official Three Stooges Cookbook...p. 17 G. Gentile

Let's see, Harper Lee wrote only one book in her career, a little thing you might have heard of called "To Kill a Mockingbird". Tom Clancy's first book was "Hunt for Red October", a little known (at the time) tome well thought of in the DoD for it's general accuracy. Yet Mary Faulkner wrote over 900 books with such esteemed titles as "Wind of Desire" and "Harvest of Deceipt". What's your point? Being prolific as an author is irrelevant in this arguement.

 

[H2Andy]

p. 107, Shadow Divers Exposed by Gary Gentile:
"He [Chatterton] must have been shocked to see a flashing strobe flashing that lighted the way for him!"..."Will McBeth had entered the water before the tag recovery team....In one smooth motion, he dropped down through [another] hatch...and pushed backward into the electric motor room. He did not have to remove his double tanks in order to effect this maneuver." "Forever afterward, everyone else accessed the electric motor room by means of the route that McBeth pioneered".

ok, so this is the hoax? this is it?

this is the hoax exposed by Gary Gentile?

:shakehead

by the way, check out the credits to Hitler's Lost Sub... Will is given credit as an underwater cameraman

anyway, this is just sour grapes and in-figthing for credit

it takes nothing away from the discovery and identification of the U-869, and it hardly renders any of it a "hoax"

one should be awful careful when throwing such words around, you know?

(and please don't bring up the "not sunk by its own torpedo" issue ... that was not possited by Gentile, but by someone else... say ... did Gary take credit for that?)

 

[JeffG]

ok, so this is the hoax? this is it?

this is the hoax exposed by Gary Gentile?

:shakehead

Yea some hoax. Chatterton and his gang didn't know about that passage when they did the dive. They heard about it after.

 

[amascuba]

Remember the climactic scene in Hitler's Lost Sub and The Shadow Divers wherein Chatterton heroically doffs his tank to pass the sub's restriction, then redoffs his gear, to gain access to the electric motor room? This was the most dramatic scene that portrayed Chatterton as an incredibly brave diver.

p. 107, Shadow Divers Exposed by Gary Gentile:
"He [Chatterton] must have been shocked to see a flashing strobe flashing that lighted the way for him!"..."Will McBeth had entered the water before the tag recovery team....In one smooth motion, he dropped down through [another] hatch...and pushed backward into the electric motor room. He did not have to remove his double tanks in order to effect this maneuver." "Forever afterward, everyone else accessed the electric motor room by means of the route that McBeth pioneered".

Did you see Will McBeth in Hitler's Lost Sub, or portrayed in Shadow Divers?

Shadow Divers Exposed is a Must Read for anyone that loves our sport and enjoys NON-FICTION rather than FICTION. It will require serious reading and a quest to understand what really happened.

BTW: Robert Kurson, author of Shadow Divers, had previously written ONLY "The Official Three Stooges Encyclopedia: the Ultimate Knucklehead's Guide to Stoogedom", and The Official Three Stooges Cookbook...p. 17 G. Gentile

Gary Gentile, author of "Shadow Divers Exposed", has written 30 books on shipwrecks and wreck-diving.

So tell us your role in the discovery that you know so much about the truth to know what really happened.

 

[tonka97]

So tell us your role in the discovery that you know so much about the truth to know what really happened.

Easy there; the request was to give an example in Gary Gentile's book.

Sometimes it's just easier to say WTHeck, just read the book! There are 10s of examples of errors, mid-directions, and indications of fraud indicated by Shadow Divers Exposed. Well researched and foot noted by Gary Gentile, a diver of repute.

BTW: I too had been a fan of Shadow Divers and Hitler's Lost Sub before reading Shadow Divers Exposed.

Sorry to bump into sacred cows.....

 

[H2Andy]

Sorry to bump into sacred cows.....

well, i did ask you for the "hoax" and you gave me that example that is really irrelevant

any others?